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Post by Jeff Leach on Mar 20, 2021 1:31:50 GMT
Talking Pictures TV showing two previously missing episodes of No Hiding Place on "Wed 07 Apr 21 16:30 No Hiding Place - Death on The Doorstep . 1963. Stars Raymond Francis, Eric Lander, Derek Smith, Barry Steele & Brian Badcoe.
Sun 11 Apr 21 08:00 No Hiding Place - Inquest on an Idol 1962. Stars Eric Lander, Raymond Francis, Nick Barker, Ronald Leigh-Hunt, Warren Mitchell, Angela Douglas & Lisa Daniely.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 20, 2021 9:36:29 GMT
Simon Moreby reports that Ray Langstone has had an adverse reaction to his Covid jab, and hasn't been able to reply to Richard's question. What he's discovered is: 01 Season 3 Episode 18 09/6/61 Process Of Elimination; Kaleidoscope have one reel of this only. 02 Season 4 Episode 11 17/7/62 The Bank Job ; one reel only - unsure who has it 03 Season 4 Episode 14 07/8/62 The Common Murder ; two reels exist; unsure who has them 04 Season 4 Episode 23 09/10/62 Time To Kill ; 20 mins in "private hands" 05 Season 4 Episode 25 30/10 62 Key To Murder ; one reel exists, unsure where. 06 Season 5 Episode 09 27/8/63 Peggy; "20 mins only" 07 Season 5 Episode 08 20/8/63 Expert With Salt ; 38 mins [beginning and end credits missing, also segment in the middle. 08 Season 9 Episode 08 24/6/66 The Smoker Kenny Lynch David Collings - the following is held at the BFI Digital Betacam - Video - 11.32 minutes - 625 - PAL - - C-1588835 Master - Restricted access to preserved videotape 35mm Magnetic - Sound - - TX date: 1966-06-24 - C-1577645 Master - Restricted access to preserved film. Thanks for that, Ray, and Get Well Soon! Thanks, and get well soon Ray! I’m presuming No Hiding Place would have been a 3 reel program?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Mar 20, 2021 11:20:24 GMT
You can get the entire programme on one 16mm reel,with the VT clock in the ad breaks, but obviously in private or syndicated hands it may have been chopped up for whatever storage or equipment they were using.
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Post by RWels on Mar 20, 2021 13:12:12 GMT
I assume Richard W meant a reel in the technical sense of up to 20 minutes of film, sometimes called an act in other countries. Of course, several reels usually fit on a bigger spool / reel.
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Post by John Green on Mar 20, 2021 13:16:29 GMT
I assume Richard W meant a reel in the technical sense of up to 20 minutes of film, sometimes called an act in other countries. Of course, several reels usually fit on a bigger spool / reel. Aren't there one or two episodes of the first Avengers series where we could do with an extra reel/act or two?
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Post by RWels on Mar 20, 2021 13:47:18 GMT
I assume Richard W meant a reel in the technical sense of up to 20 minutes of film, sometimes called an act in other countries. Of course, several reels usually fit on a bigger spool / reel. Aren't there one or two episodes of the first Avengers series where we could do with an extra reel/act or two? Yes the very first episode is only the first reel. After 20 minutes-ish you can see a reel change if you are used to it. The picture will become a bit more scratched and there are the marks in the upper right corner. (Edit: I mean that in general, not specifically for The Avengers.)
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 20, 2021 19:19:58 GMT
I assume Richard W meant a reel in the technical sense of up to 20 minutes of film, sometimes called an act in other countries. Of course, several reels usually fit on a bigger spool / reel. Yes, I did. Thanks. I’m presuming that it’s a more literal interpretation of “reels” in the list, ie a certain undisclosed amount of film on a reel which of course makes it impossible to assess how much of an episode remains without actually playing it.
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Post by RWels on Mar 20, 2021 19:43:04 GMT
I assume Richard W meant a reel in the technical sense of up to 20 minutes of film, sometimes called an act in other countries. Of course, several reels usually fit on a bigger spool / reel. Yes, I did. Thanks. I’m presuming that it’s a more literal interpretation of “reels” in the list, ie a certain undisclosed amount of film on a reel which of course makes it impossible to assess how much of an episode remains without actually playing it. Oh, I hate to argue but I'd say the opposite! I read this list that uses the specific technical meaning i.e. when it says 1 reel, it's close to 20 minutes. Otherwise they'd say a reel - plus, people trained to work with film will use the jargon. At any rate from the diameter it's usually possible to estimate what's on a larger spool. I have no proof of course, it's just an educated guess.
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Post by John Green on Mar 20, 2021 20:15:31 GMT
Yes, I did. Thanks. I’m presuming that it’s a more literal interpretation of “reels” in the list, ie a certain undisclosed amount of film on a reel which of course makes it impossible to assess how much of an episode remains without actually playing it. Oh, I hate to argue but I'd say the opposite! I read this list that uses the specific technical meaning i.e. when it says 1 reel, it's close to 20 minutes. Otherwise they'd say a reel - plus, people trained to work with film will use the jargon. At any rate from the diameter it's usually possible to estimate what's on a larger spool. I have no proof of course, it's just an educated guess. Now you mention it, it seems clear that they really do mean it when they say "one reel" i.e. of 2 or 3, rather than 'a reel (of stuff)'.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 21, 2021 14:48:41 GMT
Yes, I did. Thanks. I’m presuming that it’s a more literal interpretation of “reels” in the list, ie a certain undisclosed amount of film on a reel which of course makes it impossible to assess how much of an episode remains without actually playing it. Oh, I hate to argue but I'd say the opposite! I read this list that uses the specific technical meaning i.e. when it says 1 reel, it's close to 20 minutes. Otherwise they'd say a reel - plus, people trained to work with film will use the jargon. At any rate from the diameter it's usually possible to estimate what's on a larger spool. I have no proof of course, it's just an educated guess. Good stuff, if my original assumption is right then that probably makes things a lot clearer, broadly speaking 1 reel is approx 20 mins, 2 reels 40 mins, 3 reels being the complete episode, otherwise it’s all a bit meaningless. Two episodes have two reels surviving including one with material missing in the middle. Depending which 2 reels of an episode survive it could be possible to make something that’s able to be viewed in a coherent way, perhaps using a bit of continuity of some sort like a talking head or even a bit of text. Might be a good special feature on a DVD release.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Mar 21, 2021 15:19:58 GMT
Certainly a very old cinematic term - the cinema projectionist would have the film in 20 minute segments to allow replacement of the projection 'lamp' in one projector which was a carbon stick being rapidly consumed in the arc.
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Post by Gary Sayers on Mar 21, 2021 17:03:10 GMT
I thought the term 'reel' was 10 minutes running time? The old Laurel and Hardy short sound films were generally '2 reelers' and ran for around 20 minutes or so. They made a few '3 reelers' too, which ran around 30 minutes. Doesn't matter if they are 8mm, 16mm or 35mm, the term still applies.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 21, 2021 17:43:07 GMT
Oh dear, I’ve really started something here!!! Is this something that changed from 10 to 20 minutes with the change from nitrate stock happened?
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Post by RWels on Mar 21, 2021 18:39:14 GMT
Oh dear, I’ve really started something here!!! Is this something that changed from 10 to 20 minutes with the change from nitrate stock happened? Yes, it is. Maybe not just for the stock, but somewhere along the line, just like frame rate and aspect ratio changed. I couldn't say when exactly this happened. No idea what the situation was in the thirties or fourties. But movies are, or were, a very durable technology. A film projector made in 1950 could still be in service 50 years later, providing it was maintained, and upgraded once or twice.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 21, 2021 19:27:09 GMT
I know that the larger the amount of nitrate stock stored together, the more likely it was to become unstable and combust. It really is a miracle that so much stuff from the silent era has survived.
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