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Post by John Wall on Dec 31, 2019 17:16:42 GMT
I don’t think this is an April fool or a leap year joke but it seems that an animated version of Faceless Ones is showing at the NFT - with Anneke Wills - on 29 February Attachment Deleted
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jan 1, 2020 2:29:55 GMT
Animations just don't do anything for me, and I really wish they did. I'd be more interested in the Q&A with Anneke.
I would love more episodes to be found of this from private collections, I feel like it's a seriously slept on story.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 1, 2020 8:11:50 GMT
The animation was announced some months ago. This is the usual round of publicity prior to the actual DVD release. Will be a nice Who-centric event to go to if you have nothing better to do. And seeing Anneke is always nice.
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Post by lousingh on Jan 6, 2020 22:03:16 GMT
Animations just don't do anything for me, and I really wish they did. I'd be more interested in the Q&A with Anneke. I would love more episodes to be found of this from private collections, I feel like it's a seriously slept on story. I like the animations, but I wish the BBC gave the animators more time to really make the characters' actions look more natural. IMHO, after full recoveries, I would like to see more live-action recreations such as Mission to the Unknown. But if the animations are the closest I may ever get to seeing the old episodes again, I am OK with it.
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 7, 2020 0:29:53 GMT
Animations just don't do anything for me, and I really wish they did. I'd be more interested in the Q&A with Anneke. I would love more episodes to be found of this from private collections, I feel like it's a seriously slept on story. I like the animations, but I wish the BBC gave the animators more time to really make the characters' actions look more natural. IMHO, after full recoveries, I would like to see more live-action recreations such as Mission to the Unknown. But if the animations are the closest I may ever get to seeing the old episodes again, I am OK with it. The UCLAN team have said they would be interested in doing more, but ultimately it is down to the BBC. We certainly won't be getting an animation of The Daleks' Master Plan any time soon so they wouldn't be treading on anyone's toes.
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Post by jimhope on Jan 7, 2020 15:18:09 GMT
When will the release date be
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Post by DavidGreene on Feb 8, 2020 8:14:28 GMT
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Post by timmunton on Feb 8, 2020 14:02:08 GMT
Great news David - Thanks! Does anyone know; will the original episodes 1 & 3 have a brand-new remastering with regard to their visual element?
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Post by jimhope on Feb 16, 2020 12:42:38 GMT
That's great news i'll be placing my order at HMV's Glasgow Argyle Street store later on this week
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Post by jimhope on Feb 19, 2020 8:31:06 GMT
That's me got my order in for the Faceless Ones dvd ordered it yesterday at Glasgow's HMV shop in Argyle Street
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Feb 20, 2020 4:45:06 GMT
Poster over on Gallifrey Base indicates that the Faceless Ones DVD will have three options for viewing. 16:9 Animated in Color (All 6 Episodes), 16:9 Animated in Black & White (All 6 Episodes), or 4:3 where it slips in the existing episodes.
I'm curious to know if any additional Restoration work has been done on the two existing episodes? A polish so to speak? I've always assumed there was more that could be done for Episode 3.
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 20, 2020 21:03:59 GMT
We shall find out soon enough. Episode 3 was not in the greatest condition when it was recovered and the Restoration Team did what they could to patch it up to match with the audio. Hopefully we at a minimum get a new transfer of the film prints as if I remember correctly the Lost in Time DVD set came out before they started scanning things in HD to be future proof.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Mar 5, 2020 16:19:38 GMT
Poster over on Gallifrey Base indicates that the Faceless Ones DVD will have three options for viewing. 16:9 Animated in Color (All 6 Episodes), 16:9 Animated in Black & White (All 6 Episodes), or 4:3 where it slips in the existing episodes. That's utterly fantastic. Something for everyone. Well done to all involved - they've gone the extra mile there.
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Post by Steve Hamilton on Mar 17, 2020 0:06:15 GMT
I got my copy today. I can't decide which one of the three versions available to watch first.
I see the soundtrack has been remastered as well, not sure if the film prints got any treatment though.
Happy!
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Post by timmunton on Mar 17, 2020 20:30:02 GMT
Only happy-ish. No further restoration on visuals of episodes 1 and 3, unless my eyes are missing something. A shame as that's a real drop on the usual gold standard for these things.
It sends a not too nice & somewhat contradictory message; this story is so great we've done an animation of it but aren't bothering to fully restore the visuals for the one third of the story which we didn't destroy in the first place (so maybe we - bbc decision makers - don't think it's such a great piece of work after all!). The blurb on the set also has the not very honest description re. the original missing episodes - describing them as unfortunately 'lost'; it would be a lot better to just say sadly destroyed by the BBC, instead of trying to gloss over it.
On the bright side hopefully they will restore episodes 1 & 3 further (& the other orphan episodes) on eventual bluray collections of series 1 to 6. Maybe that's even why they haven't done it now - ie. as a selling point for such future releases?
I particularly like this story & it's my second earliest Dr Who memory from childhood. Generally the animation & design is very good but what I can't understand - & damps my viewing experience down from a 8 or 9 out of 10 to only about a 6 and a half is the way they've drawn Troughton - nearly all the time he looks smug, ie. not just when his characterisation is behaving smug. And worst still the cartoony face they've given him doesn't much look like him at all and also looks far too young most of the time - like a slightly preening, youthful-ish smug pixie (the pixie element would be ok if it didn't come with the other elements just mentioned). I can live with Jamie etc not looking that accurate but to do this to the Doctor is tasteless & possibly incompetent (although I have a horrible feeling the designers may think he looks 'cool' like this).
However on the bluray set's front cover the drawing there of Troughton looks completely different - ie well drawn and very much as I would hope & expect to see him looking. So why doesn't he look like this (simply drawn but pretty accurate) on the actual new animated episodes? I wonder; did someone realise he looks pretty silly and thought they'd better put a more accurate & respectfully drawn depiction on the cover so as not to put buyers off? It is somewhat odd that this image, quite prominent on the front cover is very different to how he is in the animated episodes.
Also: In the animated opening titles how did they manage to bodge it so that Troughton's '3rd eye' in that sequence is in a different place to where it is in the iconic original titles? (as we all know that extra eye should, briefly, be bang in the middle of his eyes). Sorry to be harsh, but that does strike me as incompetence or a foolish attempt to think they could 'improve' it in this way.
The rest of the animation is mainly done very well eg. the backgrounds, the plane sequences, the aliens' space satellite sequences etc. However when the chameleons are in their 'faceless' form their drawn design is fairly unimpressive, unlike the brilliant design in the original (as seen at end of ep 1 & in stills etc). Surely the animation designers could have easily done this aspect better - eg. in one of the later animated episodes a policeman is hurt or killed by one of the alien weapons & we briefly see the drawn image of his burnt looking, faceless-ish face, as he lies on the ground. Something along the lines of the animators' drawing of that policeman's burnt face would have been far preferable for the images of the aliens in their 'faceless' mode.
I can live with all that, but the Troughton look in the episodes, as mentioned, does stick in my craw! And dials back the overall pleasure of the thing - which is a shame as the great restored soundtrack, animated camera shots and angles etc true to 1967 Doctor Who, plus the nicely done animated flow of things in general means this edition does express the story with great clarity.
I'll personally probably always prefer a photo-based recon (hmmm - a lot of alliteration there!) - though haven't yet viewed the one by the excellent Loose Cannon team, which is part of the bonus content on this particular release (their version before this one ie. under their own LC moniker was of course ace & I'm sure this one, which I presume is a further fine-tuning, will be too). But I do quite enjoy an animated recon also and this BBC animated release - which could easily have really excelled, even just by getting Troughton right - is a mixed bag due to the points raised above.
Hopefully they haven't made the same poor design choices re. the drawing of Troughton's face in the forthcoming 'Fury From The Deep' and beyond!
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