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Post by John Wall on Jan 6, 2020 22:01:33 GMT
Thanks. 🍻
One of those things that needs time and careful diplomacy - better left to the specialists.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jan 6, 2020 22:45:46 GMT
You're welcome, John.
On a side note: if Mark Gatiss thinks The Myth Makers and The Savages are two of the least desired serials then I think he's gravely mistaken. I mean, they're by no means on the level of Power, Fury, Evil etc, but they're not the lowest either. I honestly think contenders for that award go to The Reign of Terror and The Space Pirates.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 7, 2020 10:09:12 GMT
Myth Makers is my favourite Hartnell story, and I'm pretty fond of the Savages too. Having one representative episode of a story which is otherwise completely missing would be a great find.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 7, 2020 12:36:50 GMT
You're welcome, John. On a side note: if Mark Gatiss thinks The Myth Makers and The Savages are two of the least desired serials then I think he's gravely mistaken. I mean, they're by no means on the level of Power, Fury, Evil etc, but they're not the lowest either. I honestly think contenders for that award go to The Reign of Terror and The Space Pirates. I’m no specialist! There are some interesting aspects. In terms of where MEs are likely to come from, private collectors are probably, now, the most likely source. Assuming these are genuine - and PV doesn’t appear to have been able to verify that yet - I’d suspect they’re from the batch returned from “down under” in the 70s, where Airlock and UM2 came from. The fact that there looks to be two supports that. It seems that someone, singular or plural, half inched prints in pairs from the top of the destruction pile. They didn’t have a particular interest in DW but knew a friend or relative who collected 16mm prints. They may have been sold several times over the last 40+ years. I think we’ve just got to sit and wait - PV’s a first rate type imho.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 7, 2020 14:11:18 GMT
It seems that someone, singular or plural, half inched prints in pairs from the top of the destruction pile. One in each hand, I suppose. It's a shame we're not all octopuses. Richard
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Post by mattg on Jan 7, 2020 14:30:02 GMT
With regards to that PV quote helpfully posted on the previous page - in particular this part describing the collector reputedly in possession of two missing episodes: "he's not a Doctor Who fan, he's not any sort of person, he isn't really interested in any of this..." ...yet clearly not so disinterested as to beneficently return the episodes back to the BBC it seems! Sounds like the good ol' wheeler-dealer 'feign nonchalance whilst waiting for the right price' strategy to me. I'll wager he'd 'suddenly' become a great deal more interested if someone stupidly offered him a decent sum of money for what he purportedly owns! Regardless, in this situation there's only one viable course of action. Yes, it sounds cynical, maybe callous and perhaps even ruthless but I'm sure many will concur: Befriend and maintain contact with his wife * (assuming he's married of course), wait for him to depart this mortal coil and then offer his widow a respectable 'arrangement' for the episodes' (and perhaps other, non 'Who material as well if applicable) return. When stubborn yet rapidly ageing film collectors decline to cooperate it is, with regret, simply a waiting game.... ( *this is to hopefully prevent her from throwing her late husband's collection out as 'rubbish' of course - a fate that has tragically befall deceased film enthusiast's collections on occasion in the past )
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Post by John Wall on Jan 7, 2020 14:46:07 GMT
It’s possible that whoever it is just wants a quiet life and is concerned that their name, etc might get into the public domain. They may have other things that they’d be pressured to return.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 7, 2020 14:48:22 GMT
Befriend and maintain contact with his wife * (assuming he's married of course), .... You're assuming that his wife is younger than he is (very sexist that ). Perhaps we should befriend his children. Richard
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Post by John Wall on Jan 7, 2020 14:50:14 GMT
It seems that someone, singular or plural, half inched prints in pairs from the top of the destruction pile. One in each hand, I suppose. It's a shame we're not all octopuses. Richard I’ve always considered that two 16mm cans would represent an optimum “haul” for an opportunist- would fit reasonably well in something like a briefcase.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Jan 7, 2020 15:14:37 GMT
Well we had to wait until the holder of the two fairly recent Likely Lads prints passed away before their return so the same may very well be the case here. I would not place too much on the rumours of the identity of these - if they even exist - but for me Myth Makers and Savages would be pretty much at the bottom of my list along with Macra Terror and The Smugglers - just my opinion of course! I can of course nonetheless understand the importance of such episodes as - hypothetically - the only (possible) examples of each serial to exist.
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Post by mattg on Jan 7, 2020 15:24:23 GMT
Befriend and maintain contact with his wife * (assuming he's married of course), .... You're assuming that his wife is younger than he is (very sexist that ). Perhaps we should befriend his children. Richard Or, I was simply acknowledging that, in the West at least, women tend to enjoy a longer lifespan than men on average! Regardless, I only mentioned the hypothetical wife because that's arguably the likeliest person to recklessly throw a deceased film collector's collection out without first appraising its potential (artistic) value. As I alluded above, this scenario has tragically happened before.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 7, 2020 15:54:10 GMT
Well we had to wait until the holder of the two fairly recent Likely Lads prints passed away before their return so the same may very well be the case here. I would not place too much on the rumours of the identity of these - if they even exist - but for me Myth Makers and Savages would be pretty much at the bottom of my list along with Macra Terror and The Smugglers - just my opinion of course! I can of course nonetheless understand the importance of such episodes as - hypothetically - the only (possible) examples of each serial to exist. The Smugglers is my second favourite Hartnell story! Richard
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Post by mattg on Jan 7, 2020 15:56:29 GMT
It’s possible that whoever it is just wants a quiet life and is concerned that their name, etc might get into the public domain. They may have other things that they’d be pressured to return. If one were at least amenable to returning such precious material to the BBC though it wouldn't exactly require a Herculean effort to do so. Especially not with inevitable intermediaries like PV et al on hand to undertake the necessary action and expedite matters... And I'm sure anonymity could be quite easily preserved if desired too. Whatever the truth to this though I'll remain deeply sceptical of anyone purportedly in possession of material they know many covet yet claiming mere disinterest in returning it! Again I suspect such theorised indifference has a monetary price attached to it....
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Post by John Wall on Jan 7, 2020 16:01:00 GMT
Everything crossed!
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Post by mattg on Jan 7, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
Well we had to wait until the holder of the two fairly recent Likely Lads prints passed away before their return so the same may very well be the case here. I would not place too much on the rumours of the identity of these - if they even exist - but for me Myth Makers and Savages would be pretty much at the bottom of my list along with Macra Terror and The Smugglers - just my opinion of course! I can of course nonetheless understand the importance of such episodes as - hypothetically - the only (possible) examples of each serial to exist. The Smugglers is my second favourite Hartnell story! Richard Well you're not alone on that score Richard as I have a fondness for 'The Smugglers' too! Would love to get a whole episode (or more) of that perfectly enjoyable serial recovered....
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