Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 14, 2019 14:39:37 GMT
What gives me hope is reading something like this from Philip Morris, tweeted 3 days ago:
"I Remember walking home from school and buying this very issue.Happy Birthday Doctor who Magazine .From your friendly neighbourhood Missing episode hunter."
He was referring to a DWM, but that doesn't matter. The important thing is he's still calling himself a Doctor Who Missing Episode Hunter.
I cannot imagine he would continue to use this sobriquet unless he was expecting to succeed in some way or another. It would be very irresponsible to keep our hopes up in this way if he really had no hope of finding anything, and from what I've seen and read about him he doesn't strike me as that sort of person.
Richard
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Post by andrewfrostick on Oct 14, 2019 15:11:29 GMT
Let’s imagine for a moment that on his travels since 2011 PM has mustered a handful of orphan prints. He’s holding out for any other missing pieces to complete a story jigsaw. At some point he may decide additional episodes will only come from private individuals rather than tv stations. Do we think he might go down the route of a Lost in Time 2 collection, or keep holding out for the missing links?
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Post by andyeves on Oct 14, 2019 16:35:57 GMT
What gives me hope is reading something like this from Philip Morris, tweeted 3 days ago: "I Remember walking home from school and buying this very issue.Happy Birthday Doctor who Magazine .From your friendly neighbourhood Missing episode hunter." He was referring to a DWM, but that doesn't matter. The important thing is he's still calling himself a Doctor Who Missing Episode Hunter. I cannot imagine he would continue to use this sobriquet unless he was expecting to succeed in some way or another. It would be very irresponsible to keep our hopes up in this way if he really had no hope of finding anything, and from what I've seen and read about him he doesn't strike me as that sort of person. Richard Last I heard from Phil was "I am positive more Doctor Who will turn up." That was a year ago. Whether he's still as positive one year later is another matter of course.
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Post by Dan Kolb on Oct 14, 2019 20:16:37 GMT
What gives me hope is reading something like this from Philip Morris, tweeted 3 days ago: "I Remember walking home from school and buying this very issue.Happy Birthday Doctor who Magazine .From your friendly neighbourhood Missing episode hunter." He was referring to a DWM, but that doesn't matter. The important thing is he's still calling himself a Doctor Who Missing Episode Hunter. I cannot imagine he would continue to use this sobriquet unless he was expecting to succeed in some way or another. It would be very irresponsible to keep our hopes up in this way if he really had no hope of finding anything, and from what I've seen and read about him he doesn't strike me as that sort of person. Richard Last I heard from Phil was "I am positive more Doctor Who will turn up." That was a year ago. Whether he's still as positive one year later is another matter of course. Of course, he could refer to a mere single episode; The Web Of Fear 3 for example, but, who knows?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 14, 2019 21:29:42 GMT
Let’s imagine for a moment that on his travels since 2011 PM has mustered a handful of orphan prints. He’s holding out for any other missing pieces to complete a story jigsaw. At some point he may decide additional episodes will only come from private individuals rather than tv stations. Do we think he might go down the route of a Lost in Time 2 collection, or keep holding out for the missing links? It’s close to EIGHT years since he first got into the store at Jos. It’s also worth noting that he’s been searching TV stations. Unless my memory is slipping TV stations have returned complete stories - WoF was complete in late 2011 - whereas orphan episodes have come from collectors. Unless he’s found audition prints - and he’s talked about looking for those - where only an odd episode or two was sent I can’t see any easy way he could end up with any orphan DW prints.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 15, 2019 3:40:11 GMT
It’s also worth noting that he’s been searching TV stations. Unless my memory is slipping TV stations have returned complete stories - WoF was complete in late 2011 - whereas orphan episodes have come from collectors. Unless he’s found audition prints - and he’s talked about looking for those - where only an odd episode or two was sent I can’t see any easy way he could end up with any orphan DW prints. There's no such thing as an "Audition print" in terms of there being a separate set used for that purpose winging its way around the world gaining air miles points as it passes from country to country. And besides, any new countries being offered the series in the late 60s would still be starting from the beginning - with An Unearthly Child - so any 'orphans' sent to them for assessment / audition purposes would be Hartnells from the first season, not from later seasons, and certainly not Troughtons.
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Post by Dan Kolb on Oct 15, 2019 4:31:51 GMT
And besides, any new countries being offered the series in the late 60s would still be starting from the beginning - with An Unearthly Child - so any 'orphans' sent to them for assessment / audition purposes would be Hartnells from the first season, not from later seasons, and certainly not Troughtons. Except that one exception of The Ice Warriors apparently.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 15, 2019 4:37:14 GMT
Except that one exception of The Ice Warriors apparently. That wasn't the first time Germany had been offered the series; it had been offered to them - unsuccessfully - back in 1965, with Hartnell. Plus, we don't really know enough about the 1968 screening of The Ice Warriors - such as how/why/where - to regard it as an audition.
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Post by Dan Kolb on Oct 15, 2019 7:24:48 GMT
That wasn't the first time Germany had been offered the series; it had been offered to them - unsuccessfully - back in 1965, with Hartnell. Plus, we don't really know enough about the 1968 screening of The Ice Warriors - such as how/why/where - to regard it as an audition. I see. Sorry, I thought it had been established as fact. Anyway, I would have used the excellent POTD as an audition if possible and the novelty of a regeneration as selling points. I wonder why the BBC didn't pursue selling Troughton more aggressively?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 15, 2019 12:32:53 GMT
Weren’t a couple of prints sent to Iran?
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 15, 2019 16:38:50 GMT
Weren’t a couple of prints sent to Iran? Marco Polo I’m assuming?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 15, 2019 16:43:43 GMT
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 16, 2019 11:28:25 GMT
Didn’t PV intimate somewhere that there was some evidence that the 2 audition prints of Marco Polo may still exist but are unreachable or is it just wishful thinking & an active imagination on my part?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 16, 2019 12:29:20 GMT
Didn’t PV intimate somewhere that there was some evidence that the 2 audition prints of Marco Polo may still exist but are unreachable or is it just wishful thinking & an active imagination on my part? I have a recollection of that. Considering the turmoil that country has been through it’s possible that things could still be on a shelf in a largely forgotten storeroom after decades - a bit like Nigeria. But it’s equally possible that they could have been destroyed by the revolutionary guards! I’m not sure if even the most passionate fan would risk going to look in Iran!
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RWels
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Post by RWels on Oct 16, 2019 13:13:19 GMT
Didn’t PV intimate somewhere that there was some evidence that the 2 audition prints of Marco Polo may still exist but are unreachable or is it just wishful thinking & an active imagination on my part? I have a recollection of that. Considering the turmoil that country has been through it’s possible that things could still be on a shelf in a largely forgotten storeroom after decades - a bit like Nigeria. But it’s equally possible that they could have been destroyed by the revolutionary guards! I’m not sure if even the most passionate fan would risk going to look in Iran! People go there on holiday. Maybe less today than a year ago, but it's not as crazy as it sounds. It's not what we would consider normal, but neither is it North Korea where you get beaten to death for trying to take a poster. Then again, I imagine if you did unusual things, it definitely would draw attention. With mugabe dead, how about Zimbabwe? Or was that pure BS all along?
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