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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 11, 2019 6:23:18 GMT
You had to live in the era of black and white TV to appreciate it.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jun 11, 2019 7:55:45 GMT
You had to live in the era of black and white TV to appreciate it. Not entirely. I grew up in the 1980s and enjoy a variety of black and white tv shows today (although my interest did start with Doctor Who). My 4 year old son really enjoys old black and white Doctor Who as well - his favourite Doctor is Patrick Troughton and his favourite serial is Tomb of the Cybermen.
But I'm willing to accept that it probably doesn't appeal to the majority of people
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Post by timmunton on Jun 11, 2019 8:49:09 GMT
At least with Dr Who black & white can't always be that unpopular as a while back Enemy Of The World (1st edition) & then Web Of Fear were - at least in terms of initial sales - the biggest selling releases of the entire Classic Who range! ie. they each outsold ALL the individual Classic releases made in colour with Tom Baker/ Pertwee etc !!
( & perhaps even in terms of total sales later on? - ie. as opposed to only sales of the 1st month, or whatever, after release - I'm not sure re this 2nd point)
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Post by jamesvincent on Jun 11, 2019 13:33:12 GMT
It's obvious we will get colourised versions of all the classics eventually, the tech is almost there to do it right now. Those versions will easily be the top selling/top streamed ones. Colour just adds so much. Look at how popular the youtube vids of colourised scenes are.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jun 11, 2019 15:01:56 GMT
I was born in the 80s, but my young youth was marked by the final repeats of Lassie and I Love Lucy. Still my world has always been color tv.
I really appreciate the black and white art style. There was more atmosphere in some ways for deep emotions. I’m glad the animations imitate this with black and white.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 11, 2019 17:18:47 GMT
Being born in the 1980's is close enough to the black and white era. We still could buy black and white TV's (I know I had one in my bed room until 1983). My wife's country the Philippines still regularly sold black and white TVs as late as 1990 when I ended my tour of duty. Growing up in the 60's and 70's even after color came to the USA we still had many black and white shows repeated (unlike today) So for me its no big deal to watch and enjoy in black and white
I will say though that my wife born in 1986 cant stand a minute of black and white TV. I tried to get her to watch William Hartnell and it was like pulling teeth. She just could not relate to it having grown up with color TV as all she could remember.
Still colorization of old black and white material is clearly in the future and it will come. They released a Lost in Space Blue Ray of the new series with a colorized version of the pilot film on it. People are split on it. Every one agrees that it looks nice in black and white but many say it was shot and the lighting was done for black and white and it doesn't look natural.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 13, 2019 8:27:40 GMT
black and white programs are increasingly not commercially viable beyond an ever aging and decreasing and unattractive to advertisers niche. Old media largely appeals to older people. That doesn't mean we're not entitled to the option. Macra had black and white as an option, so there's no reason why Faceless Ones won't get the same treatment.
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Post by simonashby on Jun 13, 2019 12:13:35 GMT
black and white programs are increasingly not commercially viable beyond an ever aging and decreasing and unattractive to advertisers niche. Old media largely appeals to older people. That doesn't mean we're not entitled to the option. But we're not entitled to one. That said, it's reasonable to expect the option given that the original was in B/W and that previous releases have had the option. However until it's promised and you hand over your money, we're not entitled to a single thing.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jun 13, 2019 13:50:55 GMT
I'm not from the black and white era yet I much prefer watching these old episodes in black and white. I absolutely love it. It adds to their 'spookiness', something the old episodes are more renowned for than today's stuff.
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Post by lousingh on Jun 14, 2019 1:13:01 GMT
I am with those who only worries that the recon is there and that I don't forget how to make my TV look like B&W.
As a good capitalist pig, I can't imagine that these animations will not have B&W versions. The obvious reasons are: we the older fans have money; we are willing to spend it; and most if not all of us want the B&W option available. Besides, the conversion from a colour animation to B&W is fairly simple on a computer.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 14, 2019 20:54:27 GMT
and even cheaper if worst comes to worst and we have to turn the color down on our TV's
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 15, 2019 21:33:46 GMT
I don't understand why people are saying we're not entitled to the option to watch Faceless Ones in black and white...
Macra had a black and white option... Why are people suddenly so sure that Faceless is going to be colour only?
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Post by simonashby on Jun 15, 2019 23:03:53 GMT
I don't understand why people are saying we're not entitled to the option to watch Faceless Ones in black and white... Macra had a black and white option... Why are people suddenly so sure that Faceless is going to be colour only? I don't know where the assumption that a B/W version won't be included came from. I don't believe that there is any reason to doubt given the precedent of previous releases. However, my point about not being entitled to it is correct. We're not entitled to anything. Entitled is a strong word. Definition of entitled: "believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment" - "oneself" in this case being Doctor Who fans. If for some reason without precedent they decide to do colour only then we have to like it or lump it. We're not owed anything.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 16, 2019 2:19:59 GMT
Maybe my wording was off, but I had no intention of coming across as a demanding individual.
I meant to say that it would be nice to have the option like before, not obsessively declare that they have to do it, or anything like that.
Apologies for that mix-up there.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 16, 2019 8:23:26 GMT
Being born in the 1980's is close enough to the black and white era. We still could buy black and white TV's (I know I had one in my bed room until 1983). My wife's country the Philippines still regularly sold black and white TVs as late as 1990 when I ended my tour of duty. Growing up in the 60's and 70's even after color came to the USA we still had many black and white shows repeated (unlike today) So for me its no big deal to watch and enjoy in black and white I will say though that my wife born in 1986 cant stand a minute of black and white TV. I tried to get her to watch William Hartnell and it was like pulling teeth. She just could not relate to it having grown up with color TV as all she could remember. Still colorization of old black and white material is clearly in the future and it will come. They released a Lost in Space Blue Ray of the new series with a colorized version of the pilot film on it. People are split on it. Every one agrees that it looks nice in black and white but many say it was shot and the lighting was done for black and white and it doesn't look natural. I was born in 1986 and love the William Hartnell era more than any other, so I don't agree you need to be born in the B&W era to appreciate it. I agree on the colourisation point, it'll open 60's Dr. Who up to a whole new audience that wouldn't otherwise watch it. I'm working with a team to colourise an entire episode from the Hartnell era. It's all being done manually, by hand, with the utmost care and attention. A real labour of love but it shows in the results I think.
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