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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 8, 2019 18:18:17 GMT
What a wonderful woman and true inspiration.
It is a pity her own son did not continue her work. I don't count her as a hoarder, with personal experience of a hoarder. Nor paranoid, Especially with the rough treatment of Black people in the media especially the US.
I cannot see her content on the internet archive though. I do hope the corporations/politicians do not get to it and destroy it/ hide it with copyright infringements. It is an archive of the truth and archive of untruths too.
I have seen ITN and BBC take down news stories from Youtube including one that revealed an untruth about pit closures in the miners strike of the eighties.
I would also like to see old news with Sandy Gaul traveling alongside the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Russians. Yes it happened, but I only have my memory to remember this, now embarrassing, news item.
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Post by Mark Tinkler on May 8, 2019 19:26:03 GMT
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 9, 2019 17:39:24 GMT
Thanks Mark, it goes to show how geopolitics changes so that your enemy's enemy become your enemy.
It could be worth while making an extra copy of material like this before it disappears.
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Post by Mark Tinkler on May 9, 2019 20:02:47 GMT
Well it's in the AP Archive though with the recent changes, they no longer with ITN material so if you want to buy a clip as TV professional, you would have to go through Getty, but even then it might be tricky. But it will still exist, albeit not for the general public to see.
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Post by timmunton on May 11, 2019 3:21:33 GMT
The most notorious example (& no doubt engineered by the "security services" &/or government) was an ITV news report (News At Ten probably) during the 1980s miners strike (Orgreave?) where footage was shown purporting to show miners attacking police, & then the police retaliating.
Except the footage had been reversed; actually the police viscously attacked the miners, who then fought back.
That the footage was shown in the wrong order was soon conceded but, as far as I know, no reasonable explanation was ever given re. this dishonest travesty of news.
It has also been suggested that this Orwellian report, in some part at least, helped the Thatcher Gov't break the strike, because it caused many of the public to feel less sympathetic to the strikers.
A case of - as no doubt intended - the story having the desired large impact and the later correction having a far smaller effect on public awareness.
I believe there may have been occasions when police were attacked first during the strike; but not on this occasion.
I'm guessing the news report probably still exists - though whether it's been permitted to be online I don't know.
An important lesson from recent "history" & one that should be pointed out to those who claim "we don't do things like that here".
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Post by Greg H on May 11, 2019 12:42:39 GMT
Very much so Tim. The media is more frequently used in the UK to shape public opinion in favour of the establishment rather than to simply factually report events. The fact that most people not only feel that they would be impervious to such manipulation and are unaware how the British media actually works and who owns it makes it all the more troubling. On a lighter note, I fully applaud this pioneering archivist's efforts to ensure that the output of the American media was preserved for various reasons. This will be an INVALUABLE resource for future historians to use as primary evidence. Now it is a shame we didn't have VHS in the UK back in the 1940s  |
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Post by rmackenziefehr on May 15, 2019 5:29:15 GMT
I cannot see her content on the internet archive though.
If you search for Marion Stokes through their main search engine (not the Wayback Machine) and continue to scroll down, you start running into some of these recordings a few pages in. So far, her over-the-air recordings are in a preliminary state- however, the recordings of Input, a Philadelphia public affairs program she produced in the late 1960s/early 1970s, have been organized into a collection, and are of deep interest as a type of local American programming that often either doesn't survive or is completely inaccessible: archive.org/details/marionstokesinput |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 18, 2019 11:17:41 GMT
Very much so Tim. The media is more frequently used in the UK to shape public opinion in favour of the establishment rather than to simply factually report events. The fact that most people not only feel that they would be impervious to such manipulation and are unaware how the British media actually works and who owns it makes it all the more troubling. On a lighter note, I fully applaud this pioneering archivist's efforts to ensure that the output of the American media was preserved for various reasons. This will be an INVALUABLE resource for future historians to use as primary evidence. Now it is a shame we didn't have VHS in the UK back in the 1940s Carl Sagan's Contact has Hitlers broadcast of the 1936 Olympics going into space and being recorded by aliens. I think for some Dr Who episode we may have to rely on this mechanism for their recovery, if they are not offended of course. |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 18, 2019 13:16:33 GMT
I cannot see her content on the internet archive though.
If you search for Marion Stokes through their main search engine (not the Wayback Machine) and continue to scroll down, you start running into some of these recordings a few pages in. So far, her over-the-air recordings are in a preliminary state- however, the recordings of Input, a Philadelphia public affairs program she produced in the late 1960s/early 1970s, have been organized into a collection, and are of deep interest as a type of local American programming that often either doesn't survive or is completely inaccessible: archive.org/details/marionstokesinputThanks for the well researched reply. I can see her own produced work Input and her super 8's but I was interested in her off air recordings of the news. Could these be hidden due to alleged copyright concerns? I do hope the collection is uploaded in full and available to all as she wished. |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 18, 2019 13:33:23 GMT
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Post by rmackenziefehr on May 18, 2019 13:46:45 GMT
Thanks for the well researched reply. I can see her own produced work Input and her super 8's but I was interested in her off air recordings of the news. Could these be hidden due to alleged copyright concerns? I do hope the collection is uploaded in full and available to all as she wished. It seems that they've collected a pile of what they have uploaded from that collection here: archive.org/details/stokestvarchiveexperimentAs for how fast they do this- my understanding is that Internet Archive has fairly limited manpower (a good hunk of what they have up in their digitized materials is stuff that has been digitized in collaboration with other archives), and the work required both to digitize this material and to organize metadata of any detail is a very time-consuming task. As a result, there are going to be limitations in terms of how fast they can get materials available for public use. |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 18, 2019 13:56:40 GMT
Thanks for the well researched reply. I can see her own produced work Input and her super 8's but I was interested in her off air recordings of the news. Could these be hidden due to alleged copyright concerns? I do hope the collection is uploaded in full and available to all as she wished. It seems that they've collected a pile of what they have uploaded from that collection here: archive.org/details/stokestvarchiveexperimentAs for how fast they do this- my understanding is that Internet Archive has fairly limited manpower (a good hunk of what they have up in their digitized materials is stuff that has been digitized in collaboration with other archives), and the work required both to digitize this material and to organize metadata of any detail is a very time-consuming task. As a result, there are going to be limitations in terms of how fast they can get materials available for public use. That is an excellent find and exactly what I was looking for.
Could they crowdsource the metadata? I could put in free technical expertise in this area as I worked in this area as a career. |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 18, 2019 18:29:18 GMT
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Post by Greg H on May 22, 2019 17:42:59 GMT
Very much so Tim. The media is more frequently used in the UK to shape public opinion in favour of the establishment rather than to simply factually report events. The fact that most people not only feel that they would be impervious to such manipulation and are unaware how the British media actually works and who owns it makes it all the more troubling. On a lighter note, I fully applaud this pioneering archivist's efforts to ensure that the output of the American media was preserved for various reasons. This will be an INVALUABLE resource for future historians to use as primary evidence. Now it is a shame we didn't have VHS in the UK back in the 1940s Carl Sagan's Contact has Hitlers broadcast of the 1936 Olympics going into space and being recorded by aliens. I think for some Dr Who episode we may have to rely on this mechanism for their recovery, if they are not offended of course. Indeed. I don't know if our new alien overlords would be entirely pleased with their portrayal in Who. We can but hope. |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on Jun 21, 2020 17:37:20 GMT
The Marion Stokes documentary is available online for people in the US or via VPN. It is excellent. There is one very moving part where it shows 9/11 in real time across all the channels she had recorded it on as they gradually realized that it was the only event to show. She was very determined to expose the lies and media manipulation in the news industry by noting instances where they back tracked. She was very concerned with racism in the US especially by government institutions like the police a very timely subject given recent events and the Black Live Matter campaign. A hoarder. Yes. Intellectual. Yes. Elegant and beautiful. Yes. A campaigner for civil rights and social justice. Yes. A hoarder. Yes. Asperger's. Probably IMHO. Hard on her family. Yes But a hero for archivists. www.pbs.org/video/recorder-the-marion-stokes-project-2qkhsx/ |
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