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Post by Jim Exley on Feb 28, 2019 20:04:48 GMT
Pleased to hear a higher quality soundtrack of An Unearthly Child has been located. Set me wondering if a high quality audio track ftom 'Planet of Decision' used in the preparation of the Century 21 EP 'The Daleks' still exists somewhere?
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Feb 28, 2019 20:27:38 GMT
What a good question. This was a prized and much played possession of mine from the 60s. Still have it and although it still plays okay it has inevitably suffered from scratching over the years. I have often wondered if the master of the EP still exists with the David Graham naration as I would love to hear a clean digital copy. Had rather hoped this would be included as an extra on the Space Museum/Chase DVD but it wasn't to be. I'm pretty sure the Fanderson guys rereleased some CDs of the other Century 21 EPs so I am hopeful. Richard Bignell may have the answer to this?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 28, 2019 21:38:30 GMT
As far as I'm aware, I don't think any of the masters for the Century 21 EPs survive and that the CDs were all remastered from the discs.
The EP was considered for the DVD, but I don't think the funds were there to clear its use.
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Post by Jim Exley on Feb 28, 2019 22:27:55 GMT
What prompted me to ask was listening to my own copy - it's rather crackly but the underlying sound is definitely untroubled by sibilance or lack of high frequencies. Pity the masters don't exist. Am I right in remembering there are two versions with different music?
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Feb 28, 2019 23:29:37 GMT
Yes the only difference was the theme tune. One had an arrangement of the DW Grainer theme by Eric Winstone and the other a kind of space sound effect. There was a third version which was again slightly different issued only in Australia
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Post by RWels on Feb 28, 2019 23:53:00 GMT
Pleased to hear a higher quality soundtrack of An Unearthly Child has been located. Sorry, did I miss something, where was this found, or where was this news reported?
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Post by Alan Hayes on Mar 1, 2019 1:10:08 GMT
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Post by Jim Exley on Mar 1, 2019 7:18:14 GMT
Yes the only difference was the theme tune. One had an arrangement of the DW Grainer theme by Eric Winstone and the other a kind of space sound effect. There was a third version which was again slightly different issued only in Australia Ah, that being the case I have the Eric Winstone version. I also noticed the word 'Spain' is conspicuous by its absence Out of interest were there any unfulfilled plans for further releases of this type that have come to light in commercial documentation? I'd have thought this one fell a bit late in the Dalekmania era.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Mar 1, 2019 9:21:55 GMT
Jim, I picked up another disc at a record fair in the 1980s principally in the hope of a better copy. By luck it was the alternative version to that I had and was indeed an improvement on my scratched original - the sleeves were identical with both crediting Eric Winstones involvement. There was also a 45rpm release of the Eric Winstone Orchestras arrangement of the theme which I also have. Once described in DWM as `a hunted collectors item' the Century 21 release seems quite common on eBay these days.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 1, 2019 9:41:07 GMT
Out of interest were there any unfulfilled plans for further releases of this type that have come to light in commercial documentation? I'd have thought this one fell a bit late in the Dalekmania era. Not from Century 21 Records, but between 1967 and 1969, the BBC looked at a number of ideas for new Doctor Who EP and LP records with various avenues being explored in terms of releasing soundtracks of old television stories and the creation of new audio-only material. In Issue 4 of Nothing at the End of the Lane, I looked at these projects in the article Going on the Record, which also covered the development of the Century 21 EP, Doctor Who and the Pescatons (including all the bits edited out of Victor Pemberton's original script) and how plans for Argo to release a follow-up LP in March 1977 led to the BBC producing Genesis of the Daleks.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Mar 1, 2019 10:23:01 GMT
Out of interest were there any unfulfilled plans for further releases of this type that have come to light in commercial documentation? I'd have thought this one fell a bit late in the Dalekmania era. Not from Century 21 Records, but between 1967 and 1969, the BBC looked at a number of ideas for new Doctor Who EP and LP records with various avenues being explored in terms of releasing soundtracks of old television stories and the creation of new audio-only material. In Issue 4 of Nothing at the End of the Lane, I looked at these projects in the article Going on the Record, which also covered the development of the Century 21 EP, Doctor Who and the Pescatons (including all the bits edited out of Victor Pemberton's original script) and how plans for Argo to release a follow-up LP in March 1977 led to the BBC producing Genesis of the Daleks. This revives frustrating childhood memories. I searched in vain for similar mini albums titled `The Cybermen' or `The Ice Warriors.' whenever I saw one of those carousels in a record shop displaying picture sleeve discs. Such productions just appeared unannounced although the back cover of the Century 21 range indicated the other releases were solely from the Anderson canon - again these were scanned for updates.. Similarly Dr Who and the Crusaders leapt at me from a carousel in a bookshop. Why the Crusaders - surely this had to be part of a wider range? Again unrewarded time spent in many a bookshop searching for companion novels. Even as a child I was aware that my copy of the Armada Dead Planet adaptation was from a different publishing house and it eventually dawned on me that The Crusaders was an anomaly in the Green Dragon catalogue. I can still recall the sight of multiple copies of The Making of Doctor Who outside WH Smiths at Euston Station whilst on holiday in London - again completely out of the blue but a pleasant moment. It was the first time I had seen that now all too familiar image of the Daleks on Westminster Bridge which I had ironically crossed that same day. The Target range were of course welcome to fans like myself if a little overdue.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 1, 2019 10:43:32 GMT
Isn't it funny how we can all plot the where and when of our lives by when we saw various Doctor Who items!
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Post by Jim Exley on Mar 1, 2019 12:10:24 GMT
Isn't it funny how we can all plot the where and when of our lives by when we saw various Doctor Who items! Very true - I've been able to date childhood holidays very accurately from a clear recollection of which episode I saw in what hotel lounge... In the Missing Episodes context the aforementioned Monster Book lit the spark of interest in 'old' Doctor Who, and the Five Faces season fanned it to a flame. The 1981 Winter Special needless to say threw some water on that particular bonfire. I wonder whether commercial exploitation on disc might have somehow assisted the survival of some of the episodes? Perhaps not though - it didn't stop the VTs of The Chase being wiped after all.
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 1, 2019 12:54:00 GMT
Not from Century 21 Records, but between 1967 and 1969, the BBC looked at a number of ideas for new Doctor Who EP and LP records with various avenues being explored in terms of releasing soundtracks of old television stories and the creation of new audio-only material. In Issue 4 of Nothing at the End of the Lane, I looked at these projects in the article Going on the Record, which also covered the development of the Century 21 EP, Doctor Who and the Pescatons (including all the bits edited out of Victor Pemberton's original script) and how plans for Argo to release a follow-up LP in March 1977 led to the BBC producing Genesis of the Daleks. This revives frustrating childhood memories. I searched in vain for similar mini albums titled `The Cybermen' or `The Ice Warriors.' whenever I saw one of those carousels in a record shop displaying picture sleeve discs. Such productions just appeared unannounced although the back cover of the Century 21 range indicated the other releases were solely from the Anderson canon - again these were scanned for updates.. Similarly Dr Who and the Crusaders leapt at me from a carousel in a bookshop. Why the Crusaders - surely this had to be part of a wider range? Again unrewarded time spent in many a bookshop searching for companion novels. Even as a child I was aware that my copy of the Armada Dead Planet adaptation was from a different publishing house and it eventually dawned on me that The Crusaders was an anomaly in the Green Dragon catalogue. I can still recall the sight of multiple copies of The Making of Doctor Who outside WH Smiths at Euston Station whilst on holiday in London - again completely out of the blue but a pleasant moment. It was the first time I had seen that now all too familiar image of the Daleks on Westminster Bridge which I had ironically crossed that same day. The Target range were of course welcome to fans like myself if a little overdue. Did you find Doctor Who & The Zarbi in this period? It reminds me of how I got back into the series in the early 1990s, especially the earlier years. As it was just before the internet I had to rely on the by then out date reference books at my local library, as well as the selection of novels they had in the children's paperback section. The old Waterstones in Stockport still had a lot of neon logo novels well into the 1990s, but as a cash strapped student I couldn't buy many. I mostly bought books my library had finished with & sold off.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Mar 1, 2019 13:11:55 GMT
This revives frustrating childhood memories. I searched in vain for similar mini albums titled `The Cybermen' or `The Ice Warriors.' whenever I saw one of those carousels in a record shop displaying picture sleeve discs. Such productions just appeared unannounced although the back cover of the Century 21 range indicated the other releases were solely from the Anderson canon - again these were scanned for updates.. Similarly Dr Who and the Crusaders leapt at me from a carousel in a bookshop. Why the Crusaders - surely this had to be part of a wider range? Again unrewarded time spent in many a bookshop searching for companion novels. Even as a child I was aware that my copy of the Armada Dead Planet adaptation was from a different publishing house and it eventually dawned on me that The Crusaders was an anomaly in the Green Dragon catalogue. I can still recall the sight of multiple copies of The Making of Doctor Who outside WH Smiths at Euston Station whilst on holiday in London - again completely out of the blue but a pleasant moment. It was the first time I had seen that now all too familiar image of the Daleks on Westminster Bridge which I had ironically crossed that same day. The Target range were of course welcome to fans like myself if a little overdue. Did you find Doctor Who & The Zarbi in this period? It reminds me of how I got back into the series in the early 1990s, especially the earlier years. As it was just before the internet I had to rely on the by then out date reference books at my local library, as well as the selection of novels they had in the children's paperback section. The old Waterstones in Stockport still had a lot of neon logo novels well into the 1990s, but as a cash strapped student I couldn't buy many. I mostly bought books my library had finished with & sold off.
I never came across that Zarbi hardback during the period Richard - and was not aware of it until the Target paperback stated inside it was a reprint. There was no definitive list of what was available then. Jumble sales were useful in the mid 70s where I picked up a copy of the Invasion From Space story book and one of the Dalek annuals but there was no way of telling how many others were around to complete the collection.
Ads in TV21 of new Marx toys were the closest to announcements of merchandise releases. Different toyshops in different towns would offer previously unseen Dalek toys which were always exciting to discover. Two annual holidays in Blackpool saw me return with the Dalek Oracle one year and Dalek Painting By Numbers the next as well as both colours of the Codeg clockwork Daleks, none of which I knew were available. Many other memories of finding Dalek greeting cards etc, in shops not to mention Daleks in other TV shows but I think I have gone off topic enough!
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