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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Feb 28, 2019 1:40:51 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that after his death in 1969 John Cura’s widow was left with many binders of telesnaps. Not finding anyone interested in taking them, she threw some (or all?) away.
Alas, sorry, I have no citation and I can’t find the source. I’ll look again. Who owns the telesnaps that still exist? The BBC?
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Post by George D on Feb 28, 2019 1:50:01 GMT
We are horrified they were destroyed and im sure many would say they would have kept them.
remember, at the time ,they were only about 10 years old for most shows and all the shows were in existence at that time.
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 28, 2019 2:00:22 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that after his death in 1969 John Cura’s widow was left with many binders of telesnaps. Not finding anyone interested in taking them, she threw some (or all?) away. Alas, sorry, I have no citation and I can’t find the source. I’ll look again. Who owns the telesnaps that still exist? The BBC? Some were found at the BBC's written archive centre. Also various directors have been the source for some in existence thinking of Christopher Barry and Wariss Hussein of the top of my head.
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Feb 28, 2019 11:26:41 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that after his death in 1969 John Cura’s widow was left with many binders of telesnaps. Not finding anyone interested in taking them, she threw some (or all?) away. Alas, sorry, I have no citation and I can’t find the source. I’ll look again. Who owns the telesnaps that still exist? The BBC? Teddie Beverley, who was a Cura customer, claims so, and no one has found any evidence that suggests that the Telesnaps negatives survived Cura by very longAs for the second part: It depends on whether you are asking concerning the physical copies or the copyright. The physical copies that survive are in a variety of hands, some institutional, but others being either private individuals who commissioned them or people who have otherwise obtained them. Copyright, meanwhile, is less clear- that was never decided while Cura was active, and I'm not sure if there has been any definitive resolution after the fact.
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 28, 2019 12:25:14 GMT
You may be interested to know that Chris Barry’s family have decided to auction off his collection of original cura telesnaps for all six episodes of Power of the Daleks Along with about 40 (apparently) enlarged prints of selected scenes. The auction is on Thursday at 10am at an auction house in Bristol. I suspect deep pockets will be required! Hammer price £1000 I hope the buyer was a fan rather than a dealer. It would be nice see this collection kept together, but at that price I’m sure someone who ‘ knows the price of everything but the value of nothing’ will be tempted to split these up. Regarding the Cura telesnaps, the definitive article on this is in “Nothing at the End of the Lane” issue Two.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 28, 2019 13:22:10 GMT
Considering the amount of times the Power tele-snaps have been reprinted and made available in one format or another over the past 33 years since they first appeared in Doctor Who: The Early Years, I'm actually a bit surprised that they made that much.
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 28, 2019 15:42:12 GMT
Considering the amount of times the Power tele-snaps have been reprinted and made available in one format or another over the past 33 years since they first appeared in Doctor Who: The Early Years, I'm actually a bit surprised that they made that much. It is similarly surprising how much money people will fork out for 16mm prints of existing episodes. Hopefully these telesnaps will decrease steeply in ‘value’ over the coming years. 😉
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Feb 28, 2019 15:54:22 GMT
The other big telesnap collection is that of Alan Bromly. After his death, his wife donated his telesnap collection to the BBC via Ian Levine. This included pretty much all of Alan's productions for the BBC from the 1950's through to the late 60's. The earliest I have found are from a 1951 Sherlock Holmes serial although earlier ones were used in magazines and periodicals of the day I think. Then there's Michael Hayes telesnaps of 'A for Andromeda'.
Paul
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Post by John Green on Feb 28, 2019 16:19:53 GMT
You may be interested to know that Chris Barry’s family have decided to auction off his collection of original cura telesnaps for all six episodes of Power of the Daleks Along with about 40 (apparently) enlarged prints of selected scenes. The auction is on Thursday at 10am at an auction house in Bristol. I suspect deep pockets will be required! Hammer price £1000 I hope the buyer was a fan rather than a dealer. It would be nice see this collection kept together, but at that price I’m sure someone who ‘ knows the price of everything but the value of nothing’ will be tempted to split these up. Regarding the Cura telesnaps, the definitive article on this is in “Nothing at the End of the Lane” issue Two. Vendor commission - 15% of hammer price so they clear £850.
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Post by mishalauenstein on Mar 4, 2019 2:07:51 GMT
The other big telesnap collection is that of Alan Bromly. After his death, his wife donated his telesnap collection to the BBC via Ian Levine. This included pretty much all of Alan's productions for the BBC from the 1950's through to the late 60's. The earliest I have found are from a 1951 Sherlock Holmes serial although earlier ones were used in magazines and periodicals of the day I think. Then there's Michael Hayes telesnaps of 'A for Andromeda'. Paul If they've been printed in magazines then why is there still a question over who owns the copyright (questioned a few posts back)? Surely that question has been answered by someone's legal team every time they've been printed,
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Mar 8, 2019 8:25:17 GMT
Big Richard insisting on using the hyphen in tele-snaps reminds me that lipstick is written as lip-stick in a few Enid Blyton stories. A relic of the time?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 8, 2019 9:03:21 GMT
Big Richard insisting on using the hyphen in tele-snaps reminds me that lipstick is written as lip-stick in a few Enid Blyton stories. A relic of the time? No, it's simply that that's the specific name that John Cura gave to the product that he produced for all those years and it's the way that he always referred to them.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 8, 2019 14:22:43 GMT
If they've been printed in magazines then why is there still a question over who owns the copyright (questioned a few posts back)? Surely that question has been answered by someone's legal team every time they've been printed, Misha, It was confirmed in 1998 that the copyright in the "Tele-Snaps" are owned by the respective broadcaster. John Cura never claimed he owned the copyright in these images. He just stated that X number of copyright telesnaps had been taken. Cura offered a niche service. Regarding copyright, I am surprised that DWB got away with printing them in the 1980's but as a photographer myself, I know what the limits of my rights are. All Cura has done is reproduce a copyright work. Paul
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Mar 8, 2019 15:18:24 GMT
If they've been printed in magazines then why is there still a question over who owns the copyright (questioned a few posts back)? Surely that question has been answered by someone's legal team every time they've been printed, Misha, It was confirmed in 1998 that the copyright in the "Tele-Snaps" are owned by the respective broadcaster. John Cura never claimed he owned the copyright in these images. He just stated that X number of copyright telesnaps had been taken. Cura offered a niche service. Regarding copyright, I am surprised that DWB got away with printing them in the 1980's but as a photographer myself, I know what the limits of my rights are. All Cura has done is reproduce a copyright work. Paul What about the T-S's Cura took of Rediffusion and Thames shows?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 8, 2019 16:42:22 GMT
As Paul said, "It was confirmed in 1998 that the copyright in the "Tele-Snaps" are owned by the respective broadcaster."
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