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Post by Ralph Rose on Jan 14, 2019 5:58:06 GMT
It’s worth remembering that some of the very small broadcasters weren’t paying very much per episode - a few tens of pounds each in the 1960s. That explains the bicycling system, to spread the cost of the print across several broadcasters. The bicycling system also removed the need to store prints in London, get foreign broadcasters to store them - in some casss for years. There must have been the mother of all card index systems at Enterprises, if that had survived..... In some cases stored for decades... I agree about the card index. Would be full of valuable useful information.
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Post by Ralph Rose on Jan 14, 2019 6:18:52 GMT
I still cant believe the Believe the BBC sent there only positive print to Australia. But then again I guess they still had a full set of negatives at the time as well as the 405 line video tapes were still in existence so anything is possible. Then again DMP 5 and 10 were found along with a black and white episode of "warship" that was returned from Australia. Considering the time between the two film prints being made, I still find it interesting that they were discovered together. . . ? So did ABC hold DMP into the 1970's and return them with the black and white "Warship" or is it a big coincidence ? Why would the BBC want positives when they had the negatives? If they struck, and kept, a set of positives that doubles the storage requirements. The BBC did store positive prints for a time. Lack of space was a big problem. Having other broadcasters store prints was clever, but the BBC did store some positives as well. If the DMP prints found came from Australia in 1967, they would have been stored for ar least six years, untill Warship was returned in 1974, so they can be placed together later.
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Post by Ace St.John on Jan 20, 2019 10:14:54 GMT
Could a extra set of negatives have been made to send to Australia for creating duplicate positives for the different regions?
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Post by John Wall on Jan 20, 2019 10:28:42 GMT
Could a extra set of negatives have been made to send to Australia for creating duplicate positives for the different regions? They didn’t need multiple prints except on extremely rare occasions.
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Post by Ace St.John on Jan 21, 2019 5:49:17 GMT
Could a extra set of negatives have been made to send to Australia for creating duplicate positives for the different regions? They didn’t need multiple prints except on extremely rare occasions. Is it possible tho that negatives were sent to BBC ENTERPRISES in Sydney and the positives were printed at local film labs in the Sydney area?
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Post by John Wall on Jan 21, 2019 19:23:13 GMT
They didn’t need multiple prints except on extremely rare occasions. Is it possible tho that negatives were sent to BBC ENTERPRISES in Sydney and the positives were printed at local film labs in the Sydney area? Why should they be? It just adds cost. The simplest scenario is that Enterprises sent a set of prints which were viewed by AbC - and rejected. Had they been accepted by ABC they would have paid the appropriate fee and broadcast them.
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Post by Ralph Rose on Jan 21, 2019 19:55:30 GMT
They didn’t need multiple prints except on extremely rare occasions. Is it possible tho that negatives were sent to BBC ENTERPRISES in Sydney and the positives were printed at local film labs in the Sydney area? On the occation that the ABC needed copies they could have made duplicates from the positive prints sent to them from Enterprises. No need to send them negatives.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jan 22, 2019 9:49:43 GMT
The desperation by some in this thread really sours me on an aspect of Doctor Who fans. I don't blame the maker of the cine clips for wanting nothing to do with missing episodes fandom.
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Post by Ace St.John on Jan 22, 2019 13:14:35 GMT
apologies if my optimism seems so high/ too high. I am merely dicussing if there are there any logical loopholes worth considering. I am enthusiastic for this one. I read the novel and always thought it would be brilliant to get a chance to see the complete audio visuals.
I am grateful for what we have tho.
I would love DMP to come back and MTTU but anything from season 3 would be a amazing find especially as theres many season 3 stories without any visual representation. I think the Star Was type futurism and the ever changing plot of Masterplan is whats grand plus ^ + appeal amongst other factors and the vintage sci-fi elements
If you asked me if I believed that there could be copies out there of the other than the already extant 3 episodes of DMP my answer would be well I really don't know... no one really has enough facts because there is always room for the unknown or unexpected or possibility however remote... the odds seem slim but hey you never know.
Incidentally do we know what year the video tape masters for masterplan are recorded as being wiped?
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Post by Ace St.John on Jan 22, 2019 16:26:48 GMT
I'm just curious at to why some are so insistent that the three surviving prints of DMP are from anything other then the 11-episode set made for Australia? It certainly seems evident based upon the cans they were discovered with that the eps 5 & 10 were returned from Australia. And as for the print of episode 2 of DMP which was liberated by Francis Watson in the early 70's - a trainee engineer. From what I gather the print he saved was just laying around and could have been one of a number of old films used as material for practise editing splicing film etc... sounded like it was surely destined to be junked eventually - and that was the official corporation guidelines at the time so he surely saved what could be the only copy from destruction. And hes also shared that with 'the people' by liberating the episode back into the public domain. Which we are appreciative off and with gratitude. This print of DMP2 could also have been from the Australian set returned to the UK. To bring this back to the original topic of your thread: I can see no reason to believe that any of the three episodes came from anywhere other than the 11prints sent as audition prints to Oz. As far as I know no further evidence has come to light to suggest contrary. I would love to be proven wrong on this assumption as it would increase chances of further returns.
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Post by zaqwilson on Jan 22, 2019 21:08:28 GMT
apologies if my optimism seems so high/ too high. I am merely dicussing if there are there any logical loopholes worth considering. I am enthusiastic for this one. I read the novel and always thought it would be brilliant to get a chance to see the complete audio visuals. I am grateful for what we have tho. I would love DMP to come back and MTTU but anything from season 3 would be a amazing find especially as theres many season 3 stories without any visual representation. I think the Star Was type futurism and the ever changing plot of Masterplan is whats grand plus ^ + appeal amongst other factors and the vintage sci-fi elements If you asked me if I believed that there could be copies out there of the other than the already extant 3 episodes of DMP my answer would be well I really don't know... no one really has enough facts because there is always room for the unknown or unexpected or possibility however remote... the odds seem slim but hey you never know. Incidentally do we know what year the video tape masters for masterplan are recorded as being wiped? IIRC 1967
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Post by seanmartindill2 on Aug 11, 2019 15:52:09 GMT
OK if it wasn't there only "positive" and I am referring to film prints (not the negatives or 405 line PAL video) struck for the ABC then there were two sets of film print made after all back in the day. The first set - including MTTU and DMP - was sent to Australia in early 1966. The second set - excluding MTTU and DMP - was sent to Barbados in mid-1967. This likely went to Zambia in early 68, then to Sierra Leone in 1970. NZ got set three - also excluding MTTU/DMP - in mid-68. This was sent to Singapore in 1972. So, that's three sets in total, struck to order, but only the first included MTTU and DMP.
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