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Post by Simon Mclean on Jan 25, 2019 0:08:54 GMT
How?, Southern, 29/04/1975 Just to add a bit more detail about the story of this one - this was a VHS viewing copy (thankfully not timecoded) which we got in about 2004-5 when the master tape still existed. By 2010, the original master had gone, and that this VHS copy survives at all is pure luck and being in the right place at the right time!
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Post by robincarmody on Jan 27, 2019 0:38:37 GMT
Chilling to think of masters of, as I call it, Classical British Television being wiped without transfer so recently. And to material from two different Southampton-based companies as well ...
Another wiped Chock-a-Block, the 'Train' edition (my favourite as a child), has now appeared on YouTube, albeit without opening and closing titles.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 27, 2019 20:51:03 GMT
Chilling to think of masters of, as I call it, Classical British Television being wiped without transfer so recently. And to material from two different Southampton-based companies as well ... Another wiped Chock-a-Block, the 'Train' edition (my favourite as a child), has now appeared on YouTube, albeit without opening and closing titles. www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-nWd3Zx4wAdded to the 2019 list with credit. Kaleidoscope informed. Thank you, and thanks to the uploader.
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Post by RWels on Jan 25, 2021 14:53:38 GMT
Thanks Paul. What a sorry saga it was. Fascinating to read the full story. I'd forgotten about The Black Tulip being part of it. I'm confused by the reference to A Room With A View; I viewed the studio recording for this during production on Tales of TV Centre, but it's not complete. Going by what you've written, does a full copy exist with (what was) BBC Enterprises? Yes. There are two F spools of the entire production and obviously the Enterprises masters. Paul So Room with a view (1973 with Judy Geeson) is NOT a missing episode? I'd almost say "pity". Because a friend of mine had found a foreign copy. In a way, this is almost a disappointment...! (Well, not REALLY of course!)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 25, 2021 16:20:44 GMT
""15.04.1973 20:15 - 22:15 A Room with a View DB-D3 SEQ / 2" Duration: 120 minutes. Adapted by Pauline Macaulay; based on a novel by E. M. Forster; music by Elizabeth Poston; lighting by Peter Catlett; designed by Tony Abbott; produced by Cedric Messina; directed by Donald McWhinnie. With Judy Geeson (Lucy Honeychurch), Charles Gray (Mr Beebe), Robert Coote (Mr Eager), Lally Bowers (Miss Lavish), Tom Chadbon (George Emerson), Kate Coleridge (Charlotte Bartlett), John Sharp (Mr Emerson), Nora Nicholson (Miss Catherine Alan), Nelly Griffiths (Miss Teresa Alan), Queenie Watts (Signora Bertolini), Alberto Archetti (Postcard Seller), Franco De Rosa (Italian Driver), Eliana Pilati (Girl), Gillian Martell (Mrs Honeychurch), Brian Stirner (Freddy Honeychurch), Kenneth Fortescue (Cecil Vyse), Sally Lewis (Maid At Windy Corner), Michael Guest (Coachman), Georgina Patterson (Rectory Maid). A studio recording tape exists."" (from tvbrain....DO subscribe!)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 25, 2021 16:25:04 GMT
I did find a brief excerpt of a Play of the Month this week; a couple of minutes exist in the BBC Archives....and I found another 61 seconds on youtube, which is part of an extant programme. The excerpt I found is apparently, completely different to what was known about, but I am getting this re-checked, just to be safe. I'm still looking for the whole thing, as it's one of those plays you'd think Anglophile countries would have snapped up.
So I can't tell you what it is yet....
(see, a Touch of Class for a change, tee-hee!)
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Post by RWels on Jan 25, 2021 17:04:06 GMT
""15.04.1973 20:15 - 22:15 A Room with a View DB-D3 SEQ / 2" Duration: 120 minutes. Adapted by Pauline Macaulay; based on a novel by E. M. Forster; music by Elizabeth Poston; lighting by Peter Catlett; designed by Tony Abbott; produced by Cedric Messina; directed by Donald McWhinnie. With Judy Geeson (Lucy Honeychurch), Charles Gray (Mr Beebe), Robert Coote (Mr Eager), Lally Bowers (Miss Lavish), Tom Chadbon (George Emerson), Kate Coleridge (Charlotte Bartlett), John Sharp (Mr Emerson), Nora Nicholson (Miss Catherine Alan), Nelly Griffiths (Miss Teresa Alan), Queenie Watts (Signora Bertolini), Alberto Archetti (Postcard Seller), Franco De Rosa (Italian Driver), Eliana Pilati (Girl), Gillian Martell (Mrs Honeychurch), Brian Stirner (Freddy Honeychurch), Kenneth Fortescue (Cecil Vyse), Sally Lewis (Maid At Windy Corner), Michael Guest (Coachman), Georgina Patterson (Rectory Maid). A studio recording tape exists."" (from tvbrain....DO subscribe!) Oh I thought it said that it was partly missing. Maybe I misread.
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Post by RWels on Jan 26, 2021 22:00:54 GMT
Thanks Paul. What a sorry saga it was. Fascinating to read the full story. I'd forgotten about The Black Tulip being part of it. I'm confused by the reference to A Room With A View; I viewed the studio recording for this during production on Tales of TV Centre, but it's not complete. Going by what you've written, does a full copy exist with (what was) BBC Enterprises? Yes. There are two F spools of the entire production and obviously the Enterprises masters. Paul Out of interest, "F" for Film spools? And a fully edited tape master?
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Post by richardmarson on Jan 27, 2021 20:52:25 GMT
No F was the prefix used by Enterprises in front of spool numbers of their tapes for overseas sale.
An example might be F778
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Post by RWels on Jan 27, 2021 20:54:40 GMT
No F was the prefix used by Enterprises in front of spool numbers of their tapes for overseas sale. An example might be F778 Aahhh. I had no idea. F for foreign, probably. So even today, it's still not always clear what still exists where? (Correct me on this if I am exagerating.)
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Post by richardmarson on Jan 27, 2021 20:57:02 GMT
Very much so. Stuff can be mislaid, misfiled, not returned, not identified or junked (in error or on purpose) - as in any library or archive.
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Post by RWels on Jan 27, 2021 21:38:20 GMT
Very much so. Stuff can be mislaid, misfiled, not returned, not identified or junked (in error or on purpose) - as in any library or archive. But I was thinking specifically within the BBC? With some otherwise informed people reporting "RwaV" is half missing, and others that it's all there? I had read about this, but I thought it was a thing from the past now. (E.g. I found that the two missing Half Hot episodes were still being shown in 1990.)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 27, 2021 22:32:47 GMT
Another discovery; my 2019 find of an undated 'I Love Keith Allen' in Paley is better than I thought.
It transpires that their copy wasn't a domestic donation, as I believed, but a U-Matic taken straight off the master tape in 1991 (when the master still existed).
This means it will be a better copy than the existing off-airs.
They're still not sure which episode it is yet, but.... it is most likely one of the later episodes of the 13.
Remember, some episodes are still completely missing....
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Post by garygraham on Jan 30, 2021 10:38:12 GMT
If, as has been claimed, the BFI recorded all BBC output since 1980 on VHS, things like Bric-a-Brac and Chock-a-Block will exist there?
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 30, 2021 12:25:34 GMT
Or the extras on Bod?
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