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Post by garygraham on Nov 13, 2022 3:32:00 GMT
that's because most domestic tapers didn't wait for the full end credits. There are a lot of back-announcements on Hartnell and Troughton end titles that are lost to history. Audio tape was quite expensive even in the 70s when I began taping things and then VHS was on another level when that arrived. So there was the temptation to pause ads, continuity and even titles. |
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Nov 13, 2022 14:17:41 GMT
that's because most domestic tapers didn't wait for the full end credits. There are a lot of back-announcements on Hartnell and Troughton end titles that are lost to history. Audio tape was quite expensive even in the 70s when I began taping things and then VHS was on another level when that arrived. So there was the temptation to pause ads, continuity and even titles. Most of the 60s off-air audios that were doing the rounds in the early days of fandom definitely had the original themes missing with the opening & closing music tagged on, sometimes very roughly. It was par for the course at the time. I don't recall being particularly bothered about it back then. I was more interested in the fact that this stuff had been recorded at all. I started home-taping in early '75, but it never occured to me that people had been doing it in the 60s (and, in the case of Hancock, even the 50s). |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 13, 2022 14:25:22 GMT
When I got my first cassette recorder in the early Seventies one of the first things I did was to make a compilation tape of the end themes of my favourite programmes.
It was really annoying to hear a voiceover during the recording, and I recall this happening during the end of a Dock Green.
You were dreading the announcer's voice ruining the moment and it always came close to the end when you felt you had just about captured the theme intact.
These recordings were always scrubbed and taped over the following week with fingers crossed for no repeat interruptions.
Perhaps it would have been better if I had preserved the `spoiled' broadcasts!
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Nov 30, 2022 6:58:54 GMT
Yeah that's the rueful attitudes of grown up fans of classic Top 40 personality radio stations like KHJ and WABC - as kid tapers they wanted only the music - but as adults they now wish their old tapes had the DJ patter/jokes, the station jingles and promos, the classic radio commercials of which there are no masters, and of course the news bulletins - as the stories that every one remembers today are not always the stories that were important at the time (look at Drop the Dead Donkey for what i mean here).
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 30, 2022 17:46:30 GMT
Cassette tapes were not so expensive as some might have you believe.
I have an Audio Boots C120 with a 1973 recording which still has the price sticker of 79 pence on the case - and yes it still plays.
EMI or Philips brands cost a few pennies more.
When I started recording Dr Who from Season 9 I used to capture two episodes on each side of a C90. Initially I would keep the opening theme from the first part then cut as the end credits began and leave out most of the second parts opening theme but leave the tape running to capture the end music on both sides.
Eventually I realised there was still a fair bit of tape on the spool and chose to record each episode intact which was quite succesful until disaster struck during the final part of The Time Monster. I was always peering into the machine for the comfort of seeing the wheels spinning round, but just at the Benton/baby scene the wheels suddenly stopped!
This resulted in panic stations as I frantically searched for another blank cassette but it was all too late as the episode was soon over.
From then on all DWs were recorded complete on the more expensive C120s.
The two Peter Cushing movies were a bit of a challenge as no tapes were long enough to record them without turning over to side B.
The most suitable points were during incidental music but close to the end of side A.
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Post by Roland Martin on Dec 14, 2022 3:36:36 GMT
I have an Audio Boots C120 with a 1973 recording which still has the price sticker of 79 pence on the case - and yes it still plays. That's about £10 in today's money. Not too crazy, but not particularly cheap either. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 14, 2022 21:18:33 GMT
I was able to get a supply of audio tapes in 1974 in Los Angeles and taped many shows, eventually I had so many recordings they all got dumped. But I do remember making them. My cassete tape recoding of teh KCET omnibus broadcast in the fall of 1977 survived on a BASF cassette for several year's.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Dec 16, 2022 0:59:48 GMT
A lot of missing stuff will have survived quite a while as off-airs - just not long enough for posterity to enjoy.
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Post by andrew shutt on Feb 17, 2023 19:11:50 GMT
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Post by Natalie Sinead on May 10, 2023 1:48:28 GMT
Part of the reason I'm so clued in is that I run an amateur online station that replays stuff from your WABCs and WLSes and KHJs and i regularly get emails asking why i am "editing" the airchecks. I'm not! I am a slave to the originals!
Most of the tapers were kids and they didn't care about the radio news bulletins. They did not care much about the ads, either.
What is missing from online airchecks is down to the original recording.
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Post by michaelnorris on Aug 11, 2023 22:14:43 GMT
I know this thread is a bit old but I'm curious if the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will be using these audio tapes. IIRC there was some audio quality issues on the existing recons. Would be exciting to start seeing the fruits of these discoveries.
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Post by Angel Amezquita on Aug 12, 2023 22:11:05 GMT
I know this thread is a bit old but I'm curious if the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will be using these audio tapes. IIRC there was some audio quality issues on the existing recons. Would be exciting to start seeing the fruits of these discoveries. I believe that Episodes 1 and 4 of the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will still use Graham Strong's recordings for those episodes, but Episodes 2 and 3 will use the audio from the original prints in the BBC Archive. However, any areas of damage will likely use the Randolph Tapes to repair those areas, though recordings made by David Holman and Richard Landen may also be used for repair. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Aug 12, 2023 22:58:39 GMT
I know this thread is a bit old but I'm curious if the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will be using these audio tapes. IIRC there was some audio quality issues on the existing recons. Would be exciting to start seeing the fruits of these discoveries. I believe that Episodes 1 and 4 of the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will still use Graham Strong's recordings for those episodes, but Episodes 2 and 3 will use the audio from the original prints in the BBC Archive. However, any areas of damage will likely use the Randolph Tapes to repair those areas, though recordings made by David Holman and Richard Landen may also be used for repair. So, pure guesswork then! |
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Post by Ace St.John on Aug 13, 2023 2:35:40 GMT
I know this thread is a bit old but I'm curious if the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will be using these audio tapes. IIRC there was some audio quality issues on the existing recons. Would be exciting to start seeing the fruits of these discoveries. I believe that Episodes 1 and 4 of the upcoming Underwater Menace animation will still use Graham Strong's recordings for those episodes, but Episodes 2 and 3 will use the audio from the original prints in the BBC Archive. However, any areas of damage will likely use the Randolph Tapes to repair those areas, though recordings made by David Holman and Richard Landen may also be used for repair. Why do you believe that the Randolph tapes will be used to patch episodes 1 & 4 rather than Graham Strong's but not used for 2&3 ? They might include continuity announcement from the Randolph tapes as they did with Power special edition |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 13, 2023 11:48:08 GMT
Although I have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to substantiate it, I’m sure that Mark Ayres will have reviewed all the audios.
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