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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 15, 2018 18:54:48 GMT
They list these sales as being Here's Harry, but I suspect that they were looking at Here's Harry (1960-65) and Harry Worth (1966-70) as being one long continual series. That's certainly how it was in NZ: the NZBC film registers have all the episodes listed as "Here's Harry", even for the later "Harry Worth" series. And the listings for the series in Singapore also have it as "Here's Harry". That's probably deliberate on the BBC Enterprises part, marketing and selling both series under one overall name to perhaps avoid confusion. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Nov 15, 2018 19:34:48 GMT
They list these sales as being Here's Harry, but I suspect that they were looking at Here's Harry (1960-65) and Harry Worth (1966-70) as being one long continual series. That's certainly how it was in NZ: the NZBC film registers have all the episodes listed as "Here's Harry", even for the later "Harry Worth" series. And the listings for the series in Singapore also have it as "Here's Harry". That's probably deliberate on the BBC Enterprises part, marketing and selling both series under one overall name to perhaps avoid confusion. What happened to NZ’s prints Jon? |
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Post by John Green on Nov 15, 2018 20:06:19 GMT
....I hadn't appreciated that this was a different show,and that it doesn't conflict with the DVD. I feel better about my earlier comment! |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 16, 2018 3:31:31 GMT
That's certainly how it was in NZ: the NZBC film registers have all the episodes listed as "Here's Harry", even for the later "Harry Worth" series. And the listings for the series in Singapore also have it as "Here's Harry". That's probably deliberate on the BBC Enterprises part, marketing and selling both series under one overall name to perhaps avoid confusion. What happened to NZ’s prints Jon? Some went to Malta, some to Ireland, some to Singapore. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Nov 16, 2018 8:44:06 GMT
What happened to NZ’s prints Jon? Some went to Malta, some to Ireland, some to Singapore. Blimey thanks. |
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Post by Charles Daniels on Nov 16, 2018 11:14:17 GMT
Kaleidoscope described "a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows" in private hands, but there is a different collection with "a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows" and the copyright holders have access to that other collection. The exact titles will be made known later, but there is at least one episode of the Rag Trade in this accessible private collection. No. Kaleidoscope, in the booklet article for their dodgy DVD stated (according to an earlier poster) that they knew of this sizeable amount of comedy shows which included 'Steptoe and Son: My Old Man's a Tory'. There is no "different" collection. It's the same one, but it has changed hands and is now available for genuine copyright holders to access. Paul I'm totally confused now. I thought some of this was found in Monaco? |
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Nov 16, 2018 11:35:41 GMT
No. Kaleidoscope, in the booklet article for their dodgy DVD stated (according to an earlier poster) that they knew of this sizeable amount of comedy shows which included 'Steptoe and Son: My Old Man's a Tory'. There is no "different" collection. It's the same one, but it has changed hands and is now available for genuine copyright holders to access. Paul I'm totally confused now. I thought some of this was found in Monaco? The Citizen James episode was found in Monaco; nothing else from this batch (AIUI). |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 16, 2018 16:39:24 GMT
I'm totally confused now. I thought some of this was found in Monaco? I think that you're confused because Douglas has muddied the water rather by attempting to simplify things. He failed. Simon Kelly pointed out that Kaleidoscope claimed to be aware of a batch of comedy film recordings, which included 'Steptoe and Son - My Old Man's a Tory'. He was attempting to make a connection with that collection and the films that Philip found. There is no connection, they are two entirely different things. The material Phil found is now back at the BBC, the collection that Kaleidoscope were alluding to has since changed hands and is now available to genuine copyright holders to make use of. I hope that is clear. Paul |
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Post by John Green on Nov 16, 2018 17:41:20 GMT
I'm totally confused now. I thought some of this was found in Monaco? I think that you're confused because Douglas has muddied the water rather by attempting to simplify things. He failed. Simon Kelly pointed out that Kaleidoscope claimed to be aware of a batch of comedy film recordings, which included 'Steptoe and Son - My Old Man's a Tory'. He was attempting to make a connection with that collection and the films that Philip found. There is no connection, they are two entirely different things. The material Phil found is now back at the BBC, the collection that Kaleidoscope were alluding to has since changed hands and is now available to genuine copyright holders to make use of. I hope that is clear. Paul Raises the lorgnettes to eyes. "But who's the Old Man? And why is he a Tory?". |
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Post by Sue Butcher on Nov 17, 2018 3:05:07 GMT
Could someone just confirm that the Harry Worth's are 16mm, not the 8mm ones as per a claim attributed to one George Rainey many moons ago? Thanks. Yes. They are 16mm film recordings. The only missing episode to be returned to the BBC Archive on 8mm was 'James Bond Where Are You?' by Mike Hogg if I recall correctly. Paul How did it end up on 8mm? Was it a commercial release? |
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 17, 2018 5:27:24 GMT
I'm totally confused now. I thought some of this was found in Monaco? I think that you're confused because Douglas has muddied the water rather by attempting to simplify things. He failed. Well, I very often fail. However, in this instance, I think it indeed is confusing information. For example, it was clarified here that there were actually two copies of that Basil Brush episode with the Kinks: one found in Nigeria in 2013 and one found more recently. However, on The One Show, Phil Morris stated: "One of the classics that I found that I actually love was the 1968 Basil Brush Show, which is the only copy that exists. And the special guests are The Kinks, singing 'Days' live on stage." From what he said, it sounded as if there was only one print in existence. Well, if there were indeed only one print, that would have had to have been the find that was disclosed back in 2013. However, he actually found two copies of this episode (one incomplete). |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on Nov 20, 2018 23:58:06 GMT
Although not my personal favourites, any recovery is a good thing. Speaking of Harry Worth, I strongly suspect that the mute episode that the BBC hold could be given sound again with one of Ed Doolan's audio tapes. Ed Doolan, a great broadcaster. i always loved his late items on his radio show. RIP. |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 21, 2018 0:38:16 GMT
Yes. They are 16mm film recordings. The only missing episode to be returned to the BBC Archive on 8mm was 'James Bond Where Are You?' by Mike Hogg if I recall correctly. Paul How did it end up on 8mm? Was it a commercial release? For the home projector market a few television thingys did end up on 8mm film, the popular form was usually an abridged version and sometimes silent with captions for those without a 'sound' film projector. Because it was a very small market the 8mm versions had to be taken from something already telerecorded to 16mm as this was the cheapest way to 'contact' print to the smaller version. One of the leaders in this field was Derek Simmonds who died sometime ago, he produced mainly theatrical releases such as an 8mm 'restored version' of Errol Flynn's Robin Hood in all it's glory (after Warner Brothers had actually given this one man band from Dudley access to their archive)... while TV at the time was still showing a ropy old print. Television releases included "Around the beatles" AR and some Avenger colour episodes. For Dr.Who fans sorry to say that I doubt if the BBC ever 'officially' gave permission for their stuff to be released in this format. After his death his business went into decline and closed. Many of his 'master' prints on 16mm were sold off but don't recall anything wanted here being amongst them ..seemed to have a fair few 'Shirley's World' episodes for some reason. There were other vendors producing items on 8mm and another popular section were football matches, but usually abridged versions. . |
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Post by Richard Marple on Nov 21, 2018 13:08:15 GMT
The Peter Cushing Dalek films were released on 16 & 8mm according to list of merchandise in Dr Who: The Sixties.
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Nov 21, 2018 21:51:36 GMT
IIRC football matches e.g. previous FA Cup Finals were advertised for sale on 8mm in e.g. 'Shoot' magazine in the 70s.
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