RWels
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Post by RWels on Nov 8, 2018 13:59:27 GMT
The one I mentioned before was HARRY WORTH A Soldier's Farewell 1 28/10/1966 - it had lost its audio, but, it's now likely that Ed Doolan has recorded the sound when it was repeated. So it can probably be restored. Sorry to disappoint, but Ed didn't record 'Harry Worth', more's the pity. Paul Ahw, shame. At some point there was a short list of some of the items he had recorded, and that one of them was a later repeat of that episode. But the list may have been wrong. (O.o.i. Several other episodes' audio were found on ebay by the late Tristan Brittain-Dissont of the Tony Hancock appreciation society.) |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 8, 2018 14:38:28 GMT
Sorry to disappoint, but Ed didn't record 'Harry Worth', more's the pity. Paul Ahw, shame. At some point there was a short list of some of the items he had recorded, and that one of them was a later repeat of that episode. But the list may have been wrong. (O.o.i. Several other episodes' audio were found on ebay by the late Tristan Brittain-Dissont of the Tony Hancock appreciation society.) I will double check, but I'm pretty sure he didn't... |
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Post by jackford on Nov 8, 2018 16:54:05 GMT
Actually 12 episodes(13 if you count the vision only 'A soldiers Farewell') of Harry Worth now exist,so a dvd release should be well on the cards.
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Post by RWels on Nov 8, 2018 17:40:22 GMT
Ahw, shame. At some point there was a short list of some of the items he had recorded, and that one of them was a later repeat of that episode. But the list may have been wrong. (O.o.i. Several other episodes' audio were found on ebay by the late Tristan Brittain-Dissont of the Tony Hancock appreciation society.) I will double check, but I'm pretty sure he didn't... Pity; it would have been satisfying to complete a mute print. But lists and facts can get misquoted, as you probably noticed.  |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 8, 2018 21:58:05 GMT
I agree with you of course that all of this material should be seen by a wider audience. I rather suspect that most of this comedy material will eventually get a release of some sort. However, the only public screening will be at Missing Believed Wiped. Paul If only the BBC had some kind of online streaming platform or an extra channel that could present these findings to a wider audience. Crazy thoughts I know... Someone should talk to Talking Pictures.TV imho. |
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Post by alanshayes on Nov 9, 2018 12:33:44 GMT
Fabulous finds and well done to Phil. I know it existed before in some form, but I'm particularly pleased about the Steptoe episode, meaning that all the 60s series now survives as film recordings. As an aside, I'm back, having been irretrievably locked out of my old account when I set up another forum at Proboards. So much for Global Accounts! Sorry if anyone has sent me PMs in the last few months - I've not been able to access them. |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 9, 2018 15:48:02 GMT
I agree with you of course that all of this material should be seen by a wider audience. I rather suspect that most of this comedy material will eventually get a release of some sort. However, the only public screening will be at Missing Believed Wiped. Paul If only the BBC had some kind of online streaming platform or an extra channel that could present these findings to a wider audience. Crazy thoughts I know... The obvious people to try and team up with are Talking Pictures TV. They’ve got a platform, a growing audience of older viewers and have shown, and are showing, some vintage TV. They’d like to show things like Z Cars, etc, etc - if they can secure the rights without paying through the nose. |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 9, 2018 15:53:07 GMT
Stutter!
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Post by timmunton on Nov 10, 2018 1:16:32 GMT
Actually 12 episodes(13 if you count the vision only 'A soldiers Farewell') of Harry Worth now exist,so a dvd release should be well on the cards. Thanks for the correction Jack. I was forgetting that TV Brain only lists episodes that are completely missing or are missing in their original format - so I didn't note that 3 aren't listed there; presumably because they do exist in their original recorded format. So (not including the vision only episode & the audio only episodes) : Re the 'Harry Worth' series - There exists complete episodes (in various formats) of; 1 out of 10 from series one 5 out of 9 from series two 1 out of 10 from series three 5 out of 8 from series four Therefore 12 out of a possible 37 episodes are now known to still exist; ie. about one in three. I will shortly edit my earlier posts on this thread to acknowledge my error. |
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Nov 12, 2018 22:04:45 GMT
I was re-reading the 20-page booklet that came with "The Native Hue of Resolution: 20 Years of Missing Believed Wiped" DVD. It's interesting to note that most of the finds recently announced by Philip Morris were known to exist around 5 years ago!
His appearance on The One Show last month played up the notion that he travels the world discovering these lost classics, but it's obvious he's also actively pursuing prints a lot closer to home that are being traded amongst collectors...
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 12, 2018 23:49:09 GMT
I was re-reading the 20-page booklet that came with "The Native Hue of Resolution: 20 Years of Missing Believed Wiped" DVD. It's interesting to note that most of the finds recently announced by Philip Morris were known to exist around 5 years ago! His appearance on The One Show last month played up the notion that he travels the world discovering these lost classics, but it's obvious he's also actively pursuing prints a lot closer to home that are being traded amongst collectors... Whatever he does and however he does it,he has brought results as well drawing attention to a new generation. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 13, 2018 4:17:43 GMT
It's interesting to note that most of the finds recently announced by Philip Morris were known to exist around 5 years ago! I just want to make it clear that the collection mentioned in the booklet has nothing at all to do with Philip and his search. It's a different print of the Steptoe and a different episode of 'The Rag Trade'. Most of the recently announced finds were NOT known about five years ago. It's also a little disingenuous for the booklet to say that the collection in question is a Kaleidoscope discovery. It's way more complicated than that and regardless it has now changed hands. As for "combination of factors" which prevented "the material being returned to official archives", the involvement of one particular person from Kaleidoscope was one of them. This also raises the question of what constitutes an official archive. Few archives are actually official. Most are repositories of material. Official archives either own the rights to what they are archiving and/or are sanctioned by government or local government bodies. That doesn't stop organisations or individials self-designating as an archive (and I have a small media archive of my own) but it doesn't make that archive "official" and the Kaleidoscope Archive is no different. Regarding the collection in question, material from it has already been screened at Missing Believed Wiped, despite the fact that it is not in an official archive and fans of BBC comedy series will get to see this material in other forms in the very near future. Paul |
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 13, 2018 4:54:33 GMT
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 13, 2018 13:07:56 GMT
Yes.
Phil discussed locating this back in 2013. The BBC were aware of it of course. But that is an entirely different thing to the known about collection we are discussing, which is now in another private collection and available to rights holders to exploit.
Paul
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 13, 2018 14:24:05 GMT
OK, thanks.
So, to attempt to summarize, as I understand it, we have the "booklet" list and the "cinema" list.
Kaleidoscope found:
1. Steptoe and Son episode My Old Man's A Tory in private hands and got access to it.
Kaleidoscope was also aware of "a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows" in private hands but could not retrieve it at the time, but now it can:
2. Sykes (one or more?)
3. The Rag Trade (at least one unidentified episode)
4. The Black and White Minstrel Show
... and more in a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows yet to be identified. However, happily, this "booklet" collection is now in another private collection and available. In other words, all of these are available, and that's really good news.
Separate to the "booklet" list, Phil Morris found nine episodes in Sierra Leone in a movie theater. The Sierra Leone "cinema" list is:
1. a different print of that same Steptoe and Son from the "booklet" list — My Old Man's A Tory (it never rains, but it pours!)
2. a different episode of The Rag Trade (with the "booklet" list, that makes two different episodes found)
3. 1 episode of Citizen James
4. Harry Worth 1
5. Harry Worth 2
6. Harry Worth 3 (these are three consecutive episodes)
7. Morcambe and Wise 1
8. Morcambe and Wise 2
9. 1 episode of Basil Brush (with the Kinks)
These were announced on the One Show and Phil will present some of this and talk about it at MBW.
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