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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 16, 2018 8:55:28 GMT
He’s been chasing the thing for years! I’m coming to the view that it’s been destroyed:-( Either that or a “hoarder” managed to get it:-( I don’t have dates for things and have better things to do with my time than trawl back through years and years of interminable threads and posts. Perhaps some sad individual has a catalogue of PM “pronouncements”. Err...
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Post by Richard Develyn on May 16, 2018 10:37:42 GMT
He’s been chasing the thing for years! I’m coming to the view that it’s been destroyed:-( Either that or a “hoarder” managed to get it:-( I don't think it has been destroyed. Whoever got hold of it had to part with money to do so, so why burn money? Hoarding is a dodgy occupation at best. It requires secrecy. Imagine what would happen if Phil told us who had Web 3, for certain. Would you want to be that person? IMO Phil is protecting their identity in exchange for ongoing negotiations to get the episode back, assuming that hasn't happened already. But, like I said, IMVHO. Richard
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Post by John Wall on May 16, 2018 11:05:31 GMT
He’s been chasing the thing for years! I’m coming to the view that it’s been destroyed:-( Either that or a “hoarder” managed to get it:-( I don't think it has been destroyed. Whoever got hold of it had to part with money to do so, so why burn money? Hoarding is a dodgy occupation at best. It requires secrecy. Imagine what would happen if Phil told us who had Web 3, for certain. Would you want to be that person? IMO Phil is protecting their identity in exchange for ongoing negotiations to get the episode back, assuming that hasn't happened already. But, like I said, IMVHO. Richard I certainly hope it hasn’t been destroyed, the chances of there being another are extremely small. It seems to have disappeared between PM first getting access in late 2011 and late 2012/early 2013 when he was able to remove them. Did someone pinch it and then bin it when the search started? I hope not.
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Post by RWels on May 16, 2018 11:20:34 GMT
I don't think it has been destroyed. Whoever got hold of it had to part with money to do so, so why burn money? Never say never. Someone burnt the stolen Monet's Waterloo Bridge, Picasso's Harlequin Head, Matisse's Reading Girl in White and Yellow and Lucien Freud's Woman with Eyes Closed...
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Post by Richard Develyn on May 16, 2018 11:49:41 GMT
I don't think it has been destroyed. Whoever got hold of it had to part with money to do so, so why burn money? Never say never. Someone burnt the stolen Monet's Waterloo Bridge, Picasso's Harlequin Head, Matisse's Reading Girl in White and Yellow and Lucien Freud's Woman with Eyes Closed... After buying them? Were they some sort of mad millionaire? Richard
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Post by RWels on May 16, 2018 11:54:01 GMT
Never say never. Someone burnt the stolen Monet's Waterloo Bridge, Picasso's Harlequin Head, Matisse's Reading Girl in White and Yellow and Lucien Freud's Woman with Eyes Closed... After buying them? Were they some sort of mad millionaire? Richard After stealing them. Although, there was one Japanese man who had always said his Van Gogh was to be cremated with him when he died.
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Post by Richard Develyn on May 16, 2018 11:56:09 GMT
I suppose they never had any chance of making any money of them and hadn't lost money getting them.
Whoever took WoF 3, however, I would have thought would eventually want his money back.
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Post by Greg H on May 16, 2018 15:57:51 GMT
He’s been chasing the thing for years! I’m coming to the view that it’s been destroyed:-( Either that or a “hoarder” managed to get it:-( I don’t have dates for things and have better things to do with my time than trawl back through years and years of interminable threads and posts. Perhaps some sad individual has a catalogue of PM “pronouncements”. I cannot provide reference to a source for this but I thought it had been established that the episode in question had been 'intercepted' and was being held onto by someone. Is this not fact and yet more fan surmising?
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Post by zaqwilson on May 16, 2018 16:37:25 GMT
The common mentality of a horder of unique items is going to extreme measures and high prices to aquire, no thoughts of monitory gain, no noteriety for posession, will not part with for any reason, and sometimes destroy rather than allow it to pass from their hands.
I don't work with film prints, but I am a collector of rare and unique items. I sometimes deal with this mentality. Gives me hope Web 3 exists and is safe, but very possibly difficult to recover.
My belief of ME'S in private hands, who's posessor is fully aware of their unique status, stems in part from my own experiences and the statement PM once made stating he was contacted by a collector wanting to discretely aquire all ME'S he'd found.
Hope that more exist, yet fear they will not see the light of day.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 21:38:11 GMT
He’s been chasing the thing for years! I’m coming to the view that it’s been destroyed:-( Either that or a “hoarder” managed to get it:-( I don’t have dates for things and have better things to do with my time than trawl back through years and years of interminable threads and posts. Perhaps some sad individual has a catalogue of PM “pronouncements”. I cannot provide reference to a source for this but I thought it had been established that the episode in question had been 'intercepted' and was being held onto by someone. Is this not fact and yet more fan surmising? PM mentioned end of 2017, regarding the whereabouts of WOF3, "In the hands of a fan, that one" and, "If I can retrieve I will". Whatever all that means.
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Post by John Wall on May 16, 2018 22:21:57 GMT
Sometimes I think we could do with a PM to English dictionary.
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Post by scotttelfer on May 17, 2018 12:09:54 GMT
Sometimes I think we could do with a PM to English dictionary. It's fairly simple "I want to see The Evil of the Daleks back" means "I want to see The Evil of the Daleks back". It's just a guy with a wishlist, he just happens to have found some Troughton episodes in the past.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on May 17, 2018 13:12:53 GMT
A hoarder is not interested in money nor attention, they want to own a unique item and enjoy it without anyone else being able to do so.
I am actually friends with a hoarder (albeit one who does so on a video game and luckily not for MEs). It's on a boxing game: each weight division (Lightweight, middleweight, and heavyweight) each have a championship belt that only one person in the world can hold at a time. The holder must fight 6 matches every 72 hours in order to defend the belt. The premise is obviously that these fights are legitimate and the holder is paired up with people around the world and they must fight for a chance to earn the belt. However, he just does these 6 fights against a dummy account of himself as to retain the belts without any challenge whatsoever. He's been offered upwards of £250 for each belt just to be handed to someone for 5 minutes, but he's not interested. He just enjoys the fact that he owns items that only he possesses in the world.
Same premise with MEs. I am an unfeigned believer that there are also other MEs out there in hoarder hands, not just WoF 3. I wouldn't at all be surprised if PM is chasing up leads with the hoarder himself as to other episodes he may have, or indeed other contacts the hoarder purports to have.
WoF 3 going walkies pretty much confirms in my mind the existence of hoarders. The station manager didn't play eeny meeny miny moe to select what episode to take, he was obviously approached by someone who requested this particular episode, knowing it saw the introduction of a major character.
TL;DR: hoarders almost certainly exist, PM probably chasing up further leads from the hoarder which will take some time with how stubborn they likely will be.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on May 17, 2018 15:50:47 GMT
There's no almost about it. They do exist. And for all sorts of things. I once saw a documentary about ancient artifacts. This guy hade a basement full of items that had been looted and/or sold on the black market. There were thousands of pieces with a cultural significance that made them beyond any price. He revelled in the fact that he has them. I just hope he has the humility to pass them back to the right people when he pops his clogs. Looking at Who. Props have gone missing (which we probably all know about) even ones that were still being used. What would you do with those. You can't sell it as you stole it. But you have the only one in the world. It's a state of mind, and there's a lot of them about.
Alan
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Post by John Wall on May 17, 2018 17:41:45 GMT
I certainly believe there are hoarders, just not sure what they may, or may not, have.
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