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Post by John Wall on May 15, 2018 12:21:50 GMT
There has, unfortunately, been quite a lot of nonsense from PM in recent years and too many people willing, or desperate, to grasp at straws.
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Post by Greg H on May 15, 2018 14:11:51 GMT
There has, unfortunately, been quite a lot of nonsense from PM in recent years and too many people willing, or desperate, to grasp at straws. I can't really comment on PM's statements as I haven't heard them all myself, but I certainly have witnessed some grand examples of straw clutching going on amongst the fans and some frankly bizarre 'parsing' of simple statements to reveal 'hidden meanings' that almost certainly weren't intended. A sufficiently skilled numerologist could probably 'parse' from my previous statement that another episode of Galaxy 4 was back...........
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Post by zaqwilson on May 15, 2018 15:12:12 GMT
I have wondered on PM statements myself. I Keep going back and forth between he found "something" and He just holding on to a dwindling limelight from 2013. Perhaps, if we create a thread of all statements since 2013 from PM and then began deducing, comparing, and drawing parallels--some collective discounting of mutually exclusive statements, we could come up with some answers (insert heavy sarcasm here) and arrive at the truth. LOL ....on the other hand, we have been holding weekly prayer sessions, seyonces, and have a dedicated group of remote viewers all tuning in to the same frequency to wish Masterplan, Power, & Evil back into existence. Since we have expended so much energy wishing and hoping, I can say definitively that they have been conjured up for an immediate return!
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Post by John Wall on May 15, 2018 15:43:09 GMT
He located Enemy and Web in late 2011 and seems to have almost had WoF3 ever since.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 17:02:11 GMT
There has, unfortunately, been quite a lot of nonsense from PM in recent years and too many people willing, or desperate, to grasp at straws. Quite a lot of nonsense... like 9 missing episodes returned.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 17:07:01 GMT
Perhaps of more substance than the 'Mississippi TEOTD Betamax recording' is this article by Ed Stradling from Doctor Who Magazine #510, entitled "Tape Heads". The article covers the history of home video recordings made of Doctor Who. It is stated that: "Rumours of Doctor Who recordings... have abounded for many years, and several black-and-white episodes are known to have been recorded, the earliest being The Evil of the Daleks repeat in 1968, which was recorded and later erased."So I am wondering, how did it come to the attention of Doctor Who fans that a home video recording was actually made of The Evil of the Daleks? Was it definitely wiped? 1968 was a long time before fandom was aware of the erasure of Doctor Who episodes (the awareness seems to begin around late-1976 with the preparation for The Lively Arts documentary). The individual who made the recording must have shared this information a considerable time later. Does anybody know any more details about this recording? Also, how good would the picture quality be, had these reel-to-reel video tapes (either Shibaden or Sony AV-5000) survived? Good enough to restore for a DVD release of the story? As good a picture quality as VHS or Betamax? This information has been kicking around for a long time. It relates to the 1998 visit to a gentleman in the south of England who had a number of early video recorders from the summer of 1967 onwards - a CV-2000, CV-2100 and a colour Shibaden machine. Unable to afford the commercial video tape reels, he made his down splitter to cut down reels of other magnetic tape that he could get hold of to the correct size. The man had recorded a number of Doctor Who episodes, and among the ones that survived were The Space Pirates 2, b/w episodes of Carnival of Monsters and colour off-air recording of Frontier in Space 5. Other boxes showed reels that were marked as Doctor Who with dates written on them that corresponded to the repeat dates for Evil of the Daleks. The tapes were viewed, but they had been recorded over with episodes of The Forsyte Saga from the 1968 repeat. As for the quality, Steve and Paul managed to play part of the Space Pirates episode, but the quality was said to be very poor. Steve wrote a brief piece about the visit here and further details were included in Richard Molesworth's 2010 book, Wiped! So yourself, Paul and Steve all held in your hands video tapes that once held episodes of TEOTD, Richard? Wow! So near and yet so far...
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Post by richardwoods on May 15, 2018 17:36:35 GMT
Potentially the reel to reel 405 line video recorders gave good results. Look at the recordings of the missing Steptoe's, they are quite reasonable and good enough for commercial release. Unfortunately the tapes that the guy that Paul V went to see had made seem to have been in a poor state and I would imagine problematic enough to recover let alone attempting to recover, for sake of argument partially taped over programs. Galton and Simpson's recordings of Steptoe were in great shape all considered! It could in part have been down to how they were stored. The EOTD guy, as I recall from the article, was using anything he could get his hands on to mod into the right width of magnetic tape, which would presumably add to any issues of the material on them remaining stable. I believe that he may have used computer reel tapes cut down which would certainly have been of a lower grade oxide than video tape.
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Post by andyeves on May 15, 2018 18:29:14 GMT
He located Enemy and Web in late 2011 and seems to have almost had WoF3 ever since. He actually had located WOF3 in 2011 of course. Subsequent to this, I'm not aware of PM making any comments about almost having WOF3 until Starburst in August 2016. He may have already recovered it for all we know, That fact that he hasn't handed it over doesn't confirm otherwise.
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Post by John Wall on May 15, 2018 19:26:31 GMT
There has, unfortunately, been quite a lot of nonsense from PM in recent years and too many people willing, or desperate, to grasp at straws. Quite a lot of nonsense... like 9 missing episodes returned. Since then......
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Post by John Wall on May 15, 2018 19:44:26 GMT
He located Enemy and Web in late 2011 and seems to have almost had WoF3 ever since. He actually had located WOF3 in 2011 of course. Subsequent to this, I'm not aware of PM making any comments about almost having WOF3 until Starburst in August 2016. He may have already recovered it for all we know, That fact that he hasn't handed it over doesn't confirm otherwise. There have been various “hints”. There’s no reason for him to hang onto something like that - unless you’re a conspiracy theorist.
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Post by andyeves on May 15, 2018 20:07:53 GMT
He actually had located WOF3 in 2011 of course. Subsequent to this, I'm not aware of PM making any comments about almost having WOF3 until Starburst in August 2016. He may have already recovered it for all we know, That fact that he hasn't handed it over doesn't confirm otherwise. There have been various “hints”. There’s no reason for him to hang onto something like that - unless you’re a conspiracy theorist. Would you like to be a bit more specific about these supposed "hints" to which you allude? Just because you personally can't see why, it doesn't mean that PM wouldn't have good reason not to have handed WOF3 back as yet had he already recovered it. You’re entitled to draw your own inferences from PM’s words & actions like everyone else, John. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that these are only your inferences, as opposed to fully proven & unequivocal facts.
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Post by John Wall on May 15, 2018 20:56:48 GMT
There have been various “hints”. There’s no reason for him to hang onto something like that - unless you’re a conspiracy theorist. Would you like to be a bit more specific about these supposed "hints" to which you allude? Just because you personally can't see why, it doesn't mean that PM wouldn't have good reason not to have handed WOF3 back as yet had he already recovered it. You’re entitled to draw your own inferences from PM’s words & actions like everyone else, John. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that these are only your inferences, as opposed to fully proven & unequivocal facts. There seems to have been a veritable “industry” developed in fandom since Enemy and Web were announced based on any crumb from PM, plenty of posts/threads if you’ve got a good memory or are masochistic enough to look. There isn’t a single reason, that would stand up to scrutiny, why he’d be hanging onto WoF3 if he had it. He can’t make a penny out of it as he doesn’t own the copyright.
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Post by RWels on May 15, 2018 23:40:21 GMT
I suppose a dispute, behind closed doors, over how much the BBC should pay for his services might be a reason that that could happen. But other than that, if there is no concrete evidence that holds up, the logical conclusion is to expect no episodes. Of course, there is also no evidence that some of them haven't been recovered yet. But neither is there any evidence that I am not immortal. I have never died before. What I mean is, it seems a bit optimistic if you want to now turn the absence of evidence into probability. Just my two cents. ...some grand examples of straw clutching... Right, so plans for what to do after travelling back in time to the sixties are all just straw clutching now, are they?
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Post by andyeves on May 16, 2018 3:31:05 GMT
Would you like to be a bit more specific about these supposed "hints" to which you allude? Just because you personally can't see why, it doesn't mean that PM wouldn't have good reason not to have handed WOF3 back as yet had he already recovered it. You’re entitled to draw your own inferences from PM’s words & actions like everyone else, John. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that these are only your inferences, as opposed to fully proven & unequivocal facts. There seems to have been a veritable “industry” developed in fandom since Enemy and Web were announced based on any crumb from PM, plenty of posts/threads if you’ve got a good memory or are masochistic enough to look. There isn’t a single reason, that would stand up to scrutiny, why he’d be hanging onto WoF3 if he had it. He can’t make a penny out of it as he doesn’t own the copyright. Maybe PM feels that we don't sufficiently "least-expect" it as yet ... or maybe he feels that to hand anything over at this stage would compromise his ongoing operation ... or maybe he's only just secured it following lengthy & protracted negotiations. As I said, just because you personally can't see it, it doesn't mean that it is a unequivocal fact that he doesn't already have it. Your inferences seem based on the premise that it would only make sense for Phil to follow a strategy that maximises his profit, yet he has stated that he doesn't make money out of this and his search is based on his belief that it's the right thing to do. Have you considered the possibility that maybe he was being truthful? But do you have specific examples of "hints" that Phil almost has WOF3 that pre-date Starburst? I'm referring to things he has said personally, and not unfounded rumours & speculation on message boards.
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Post by John Wall on May 16, 2018 8:40:02 GMT
He’s been chasing the thing for years! I’m coming to the view that it’s been destroyed:-( Either that or a “hoarder” managed to get it:-(
I don’t have dates for things and have better things to do with my time than trawl back through years and years of interminable threads and posts. Perhaps some sad individual has a catalogue of PM “pronouncements”.
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