Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on May 2, 2018 8:51:07 GMT
One problem that occurs to me now is, just suppose it was Evil and she did have it taped off the television on a Betamax tape...what good would it be to the BBC anyway? I’ve never seen a Betamax machine or any recordings but while I’ve heard that it looks better than VHS, it’s not likely that a home recording would be restorable to broadcast or DVD quality. It could be digitized and shared among the fans but that’s it. A lot of people would put a lot of effort into making it the best it could be, and it would be released by the BBC. Richard
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Post by Charles Daniels on May 2, 2018 9:55:29 GMT
What she probably saw / recorded was the Peter Cushing film "Dr Who and the Daleks'. Surely the Peter Cushing movie would have been viewed in colour?Did she remark that the transmission/recording was in B/W by any chance?I doubt very much that Canadians would still be using monochrome sets even in the 1980s. I used to have a very small black and white telly which I used until roughly 1991. It was a back up set for when I had to watch something in my bedroom rather than the main living room.
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Post by Charles Daniels on May 2, 2018 9:58:16 GMT
Thanks for everyone’s input. I must say that the possibility of it being one of the Peter Cushing movies never crossed my mind at all but makes perfect sense. I don’t know if I ever asked her if it was color or black and white. And I guess I could get my uncle to talk to her ex and find out if he/they ever found the old tapes. One problem that occurs to me now is, just suppose it was Evil and she did have it taped off the television on a Betamax tape...what good would it be to the BBC anyway? I’ve never seen a Betamax machine or any recordings but while I’ve heard that it looks better than VHS, it’s not likely that a home recording would be restorable to broadcast or DVD quality. It could be digitized and shared among the fans but that’s it. Good point. If you track it down, and it's only on Betamax, I luckily have a Betamax machine.... give ya a tenner for the tape So it wasn't a total waste of your time.
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Post by garygraham on May 2, 2018 10:54:52 GMT
Thanks for everyone’s input. I must say that the possibility of it being one of the Peter Cushing movies never crossed my mind at all but makes perfect sense. I don’t know if I ever asked her if it was color or black and white. And I guess I could get my uncle to talk to her ex and find out if he/they ever found the old tapes. One problem that occurs to me now is, just suppose it was Evil and she did have it taped off the television on a Betamax tape...what good would it be to the BBC anyway? I’ve never seen a Betamax machine or any recordings but while I’ve heard that it looks better than VHS, it’s not likely that a home recording would be restorable to broadcast or DVD quality. It could be digitized and shared among the fans but that’s it. The difference between Betamax and VHS is marginal. A good VHS recording (not in long play!) is roughly equivalent to what we see now in standard definition on the BBC's iPlayer (I've done a side by side comparison). So VHS is certainly viewable. A lot depends on the original TV signal and how the tape has been stored.
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Post by George D on May 2, 2018 15:16:43 GMT
It is impossible that it is evil. If it is evil, I'll eat my hat
I don't understand how a,copy of evil could be existing and broadcast in the usa during the years beta existing after 1977. There are so many dr who fans that would react to such a showing of it even was remotely possible
Beta machine are very common
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Post by Señor pinguino on May 2, 2018 15:57:19 GMT
It is impossible that it is evil. If it is evil, I'll eat my hat I don't understand how a,copy of evil could be existing and broadcast in the usa during the years beta existing after 1977. There are so many dr who fans that would react to such a showing of it even was remotely possible Beta machine are very common Yeah, its strange, if in the years of the rebroadcasting william/trouhton episodes the people could made beta copies, today we would have more episodes.
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Post by zaqwilson on May 2, 2018 19:57:07 GMT
I agree that a showing of Evil anywhere in North America is 99.99%+ unlikely to sheer impossible. The ONLY scenario that even crosses the mind is the story of the Vietnam Vet who supposedly saw the B & W doctor "Who looked like Moe from the three stooges" fighting the Daleks on AFN (whatever the armed forces entertain the troops is/was called). "If" they had it, it "Might" have made its way to the states or Canada and could "Possibly" have been screened somewhere, somehow, sometime.... I cant imagine any network here, even back then, thinking "Hey, we have this random print(s) of a show we have no rights to and probably shouldn't even have--lets stick it in the Saturday afternoon time-slot..." Each level gets exponentially less likely. I find the armed forces Evil story VERY hard to believe. If it was true (0.1%), it might have made it here (0.001%), and possibly screened (0.000001%), on broadcast TV (0.0000000001%). While technically possible, It didn't happen. About as likely as the transmissions bouncing back from space. Although I suppose stranger, more implausible things have happened...
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Post by Robert Lia on May 2, 2018 21:03:22 GMT
It was proven several years ago that AFN (Armed Forces Network) / FEN (Far East Network (Philippine's, Japan) did not screen any black and white Dr. Who this was verified by checking the AFRTS TV listing's for West Germany (AFN Europe) Japan, The Philippines, AFKN (Armed Forces Korean Network) (South Korea), Thailand and Vietnam.
AFRTS did broadcast 94 Tom Baker episodes (Omitting The Ark in Space) in the Philippines, Japan, South Korea and West Germany and West Berlin in the 83-86 time frame.
No sign of black and white Dr. Who on SCN (Southern Command Network (Panama Canal Zone) either
And I made a physical check of what was left of the Far East Network Philippines Subic Bay site a few years back, no film prints or video tape of any kind remain there.
And for completest purposes there were no film prints at all in the ruins of the US Army base on Corregidor. I physically checked that place in 2013
ABC-CBN 2 Manila did broadcast Jon Pertwee episode's from the 72 episode package that was sold to the USA in 1972.
GMA 7 Manila did broadcast a selection on Tom Baker episodes in 1989. Came home from duty at the former US Naval Air Station Cubi Point and flipped on the TV at 4:30 pm and saw Tom running in a 30 minute time slot with commercial's..
Guam did also air the 72 episodes with Jon Pertwee in the 1970's.
Black and white TVs were still common in the USA till the 1980's and were still being sold in the Philippines in the late 1980's when I was there.
More detailed information is available at Jon Preddles BROADCAST site
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 2, 2018 23:48:24 GMT
The ONLY scenario that even crosses the mind is the story of the Vietnam Vet who supposedly saw the B & W doctor "Who looked like Moe from the three stooges" fighting the Daleks on AFN (whatever the armed forces entertain the troops is/was called). Roy Castle looks a bit like Moe from the Three Stooges; it was probably the Peter Cushing film "Dr Who and the Daleks" that was seen -- and indeed there are quite a number of listings for that film over the years in the AFRTS/AFN base newspapers.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on May 2, 2018 23:54:00 GMT
The ONLY scenario that even crosses the mind is the story of the Vietnam Vet who supposedly saw the B & W doctor "Who looked like Moe from the three stooges" fighting the Daleks on AFN (whatever the armed forces entertain the troops is/was called). Roy Castle looks a bit like Moe from the Three Stooges; it was probably the Peter Cushing film "Dr Who and the Daleks" that was seen -- and indeed there are quite a number of listings for that film over the years in the AFRTS/AFN base newspapers. I was curious to know if people had been looking into the AFRTS possibility.
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Post by Robert Lia on May 3, 2018 1:22:08 GMT
Oh Yes Jon and I also with Chris Peterson looked into this as he was overseas at least at the time we did all this deep digging around 2013.
I also physically was able to check the former USAF base Camp John Hay in Baguio City in 2011, they had a small regional FEN station, again I found nothing, no film prints, video tapes or anything on that former USAF base. Same with a smaller base Capas Tarlac that is now used by the Philippine Army, another complete blank with nothing located. To finish it I got aces granted using my US Military ID card and passport to the Philippine Military Academy that is conveniently just a few miles from Camp John Hay and also found nothing, no video tapes, film prints or anything. But I did get to purchase some cool Philippine NAVY souvenir's that are in my display case.
The only former bases left to cheek are the former US Naval Communication Station in San Miguel which was taken over by the NAVY for there boot camp. Its a few miles from Subic Naval Base and the former US Naval Station Sangley Point in Cavite which is an active Philippine Navy and Air Force base as it was tuned over to the Philippine Government in 1971
Sadly the new AFP (Armed Force's Philippines Commanding General) started a new rule a few weeks back that says all foreign military now must submit a request to visit active Philippine Bases 2 weeks in advance with enough paperwork to snuff a civil servant so when I visit (which normally lasts 3 weeks) I can no longer simply flash my US NAVY retired I D card and just walk right in. Sangley Point would really be the last viable place to look for old AFRTS film prints if they exist
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Post by RWels on May 3, 2018 13:29:04 GMT
OK, but while that's an effort that we all admire, to get back to the OP I'd say that the oldest betamax and VHS recordings are definitely interesting for the potential colour signal. And any nonwho items. (Yes, there IS more to life than DW !)
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 14:19:01 GMT
I can't believe this has gone over to a second page.
Why, ethanmuse93, as a major fan, have you suddenly decided now to post this now, after some 18 years? Hmmm...
There isn't a shred of evidence for this story. It has the pattern of so many stories which flaunt knowledge of supposed broadcasts or off-air recordings a convenient good number of years after the horse has already bolted the archive. In this case, your contact originally claimed to have the Betamax tapes, then couldn't find them following a house move, then suffered a divorce, and finally went "insane".
"if she did record them then she probably is not the only person to do so in that area". Given the size of the fan base in the U.S., if The Evil of the Daleks had been broadcast at that time in any region, all the bells and whistles would have sounded long before now.
If anyone wants some evidence on the matter, then look no further than the BBC's Clearances paperwork, and actors' residuals and music royalties. This would record a sale to the States (Mississippi, Louisiana, take your pick).
"just suppose it was Evil and she did have it taped off the television on a Betamax tape...what good would it be to the BBC anyway?" Which, like your story, is about as unfounded as saying what good would U-matic tape or 16mm film be to the BBC anyway? You also seem to be closing the book on your story with that line too. Just as well really.
Sorry, but I don't buy any of this.
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Post by zaqwilson on May 3, 2018 16:38:21 GMT
I can't believe this has gone over to a second page. Why, ethanmuse93, as a major fan, have you suddenly decided now to post this now, after some 18 years? Hmmm... There isn't a shred of evidence for this story. It has the pattern of so many stories which flaunt knowledge of supposed broadcasts or off-air recordings a convenient good number of years after the horse has already bolted the archive. In this case, your contact originally claimed to have the Betamax tapes, then couldn't find them following a house move, then suffered a divorce, and finally went "insane". "if she did record them then she probably is not the only person to do so in that area". Given the size of the fan base in the U.S., if The Evil of the Daleks had been broadcast at that time in any region, all the bells and whistles would have sounded long before now. If anyone wants some evidence on the matter, then look no further than the BBC's Clearances paperwork, and actors' residuals and music royalties. This would record a sale to the States (Mississippi, Louisiana, take your pick). "just suppose it was Evil and she did have it taped off the television on a Betamax tape...what good would it be to the BBC anyway?" Which, like your story, is about as unfounded as saying what good would U-matic tape or 16mm film be to the BBC anyway? You also seem to be closing the book on your story with that line too. Just as well really. Sorry, but I don't buy any of this. I second this.
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Post by zaqwilson on May 3, 2018 16:42:23 GMT
Oh Yes Jon and I also with Chris Peterson looked into this as he was overseas at least at the time we did all this deep digging around 2013. I also physically was able to check the former USAF base Camp John Hay in Baguio City in 2011, they had a small regional FEN station, again I found nothing, no film prints, video tapes or anything on that former USAF base. Same with a smaller base Capas Tarlac that is now used by the Philippine Army, another complete blank with nothing located. To finish it I got aces granted using my US Military ID card and passport to the Philippine Military Academy that is conveniently just a few miles from Camp John Hay and also found nothing, no video tapes, film prints or anything. But I did get to purchase some cool Philippine NAVY souvenir's that are in my display case. The only former bases left to cheek are the former US Naval Communication Station in San Miguel which was taken over by the NAVY for there boot camp. Its a few miles from Subic Naval Base and the former US Naval Station Sangley Point in Cavite which is an active Philippine Navy and Air Force base as it was tuned over to the Philippine Government in 1971 Sadly the new AFP (Armed Force's Philippines Commanding General) started a new rule a few weeks back that says all foreign military now must submit a request to visit active Philippine Bases 2 weeks in advance with enough paperwork to snuff a civil servant so when I visit (which normally lasts 3 weeks) I can no longer simply flash my US NAVY retired I D card and just walk right in. Sangley Point would really be the last viable place to look for old AFRTS film prints if they exist Thank you for your time an efforts Robert. Glad I can finally file this 'tall tale' in the DW ME urban legends category.
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