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Post by Timothy Austin on Nov 14, 2018 21:28:04 GMT
'The Ice Warriors' is a very good story. I even don't mind there being two missing episodes, as the animation is decent. Not the best episodes of a story animated though. The best animated episodes can be found in 'The Moonbase'. So my favourite animations (for missing sixties episodes) in order from favourite to least favourite are 1) 'The Moonbase' parts 1 & 3 10/10. 2) 'The Invasion' parts 1 & 4 9/10. 3) 'The Power of the Daleks' parts 1 - 6 8/10. 4) 'The Tenth Planet' part 4 8/10. 5) 'The Ice Warriors' parts 2 & 3 7/10. 6)'The Reign of Terror' parts 4 & 5 7/10.
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Post by T. Kielland on Feb 12, 2021 11:38:41 GMT
The NZBC had sent its prints of the first three serials (13 eps) to Denmark in March 1968, and anecdotal evidence indicates that a TV station in Norway auditioned at least one Dalek story around that same time. (I suspect that Denmark sent the ex-NZ eps to Norway.) A few months later, Germany is looking at The Ice Warriors. Although I can't prove it, I suspect they also saw the first 13 eps -- a quick glance at an altas will show that Norway, Denmark and Germany are all in a direct line of each other -- I doubt that that was a coincidence. Norway in 1968 had one broadcaster (NRK) with one television station (now known as NRK1). I have for a long time wondered if they considered buying Doctor Who back then, and perhaps received an episode or two to review. Where is this anecdotal evidence from? I imagine that if NRK had been told to return it or send it on, they would certainly have done so. A quick internet search indicates that NRK most likely finished digitising their TV archive in 2016, and then gave the old physical formats to the national library for storage in their mountain vault.
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Post by RWels on Feb 12, 2021 12:14:35 GMT
The NZBC had sent its prints of the first three serials (13 eps) to Denmark in March 1968, and anecdotal evidence indicates that a TV station in Norway auditioned at least one Dalek story around that same time. (I suspect that Denmark sent the ex-NZ eps to Norway.) A few months later, Germany is looking at The Ice Warriors. Although I can't prove it, I suspect they also saw the first 13 eps -- a quick glance at an altas will show that Norway, Denmark and Germany are all in a direct line of each other -- I doubt that that was a coincidence. Norway in 1968 had one broadcaster (NRK) with one television station (now known as NRK1). I have for a long time wondered if they considered buying Doctor Who back then, and perhaps received an episode or two to review. Where is this anecdotal evidence from? I imagine that if NRK had been told to return it or send it on, they would certainly have done so. A quick internet search indicates that NRK most likely finished digitising their TV archive in 2016, and then gave the old physical formats to the national library for storage in their mountain vault. If you are Norwegian, you could try to verify this with digitised newspapers. Or indeed other BBC shows too. If you find any evidence there, then you could try to contact the NRK. They might take the question more seriously if you did your homework so yo speak. But I should warn that I tried the same for central western Europe and even Sweden and Romania, for other shows in general. While many BBC programs were shown, they were always returned as was agreed. I only ever found one exception, two episodes of a forgotten quiz show. (Meanwhile, I sincerely hope that the quoted "in a direct line" was a joke.)
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Post by John Wall on Feb 12, 2021 16:35:38 GMT
It was clearly the work of Slartibartfast 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by T. Kielland on Feb 14, 2021 21:46:24 GMT
Norway in 1968 had one broadcaster (NRK) with one television station (now known as NRK1). I have for a long time wondered if they considered buying Doctor Who back then, and perhaps received an episode or two to review. Where is this anecdotal evidence from? I imagine that if NRK had been told to return it or send it on, they would certainly have done so. A quick internet search indicates that NRK most likely finished digitising their TV archive in 2016, and then gave the old physical formats to the national library for storage in their mountain vault. If you are Norwegian, you could try to verify this with digitised newspapers. Or indeed other BBC shows too. If you find any evidence there, then you could try to contact the NRK. They might take the question more seriously if you did your homework so yo speak. But I should warn that I tried the same for central western Europe and even Sweden and Romania, for other shows in general. While many BBC programs were shown, they were always returned as was agreed. I only ever found one exception, two episodes of a forgotten quiz show. (Meanwhile, I sincerely hope that the quoted "in a direct line" was a joke.) Yes, I'm Norwegian, so I could always try, but as you say most Western European broadcasters would have good routines for returning material. That said, NRK did broadcast a lot of British television in the late Seventies and Eighties, when I was old enough to remember, and I imagine that was true for the rest of the Seventies and the Sixties aswell. NRK itself has been quite good at retaining its own drama productions. On their "Net-TV" the archive is available for free, I have seen material from as far back as 1960 that was clearly retained on and transferred from videotape. Not that it is any consolation to this forum, and BBCs output was obviously vastly larger.
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Post by RWels on Feb 14, 2021 21:57:16 GMT
If you are Norwegian, you could try to verify this with digitised newspapers. Or indeed other BBC shows too. If you find any evidence there, then you could try to contact the NRK. They might take the question more seriously if you did your homework so yo speak. But I should warn that I tried the same for central western Europe and even Sweden and Romania, for other shows in general. While many BBC programs were shown, they were always returned as was agreed. I only ever found one exception, two episodes of a forgotten quiz show. (Meanwhile, I sincerely hope that the quoted "in a direct line" was a joke.) Yes, I'm Norwegian, so I could always try, but as you say most Western European broadcasters would have good routines for returning material. That said, NRK did broadcast a lot of British television in the late Seventies and Eighties, when I was old enough to remember, and I imagine that was true for the rest of the Seventies and the Sixties aswell. NRK itself has been quite good at retaining its own drama productions. On their "Net-TV" the archive is available for free, I have seen material from as far back as 1960 that was clearly retained on and transferred from videotape. Not that it is any consolation to this forum, and BBCs output was obviously vastly larger. It wasn't completely pointless: apart from the two obscure episodes I mentioned - non-who - I found several clips and interviews (still non-who... except for a brief Tom Baker appearance). How to put it? "The chances of winning the lottery are a lot larger if you're not just counting on the first prize."
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Post by T. Kielland on Feb 14, 2021 22:16:31 GMT
Yes, the best chance is probably clips used in other programmes.
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Post by T. Kielland on Feb 15, 2021 9:03:58 GMT
Yes, I'm Norwegian, so I could always try, but as you say most Western European broadcasters would have good routines for returning material. That said, NRK did broadcast a lot of British television in the late Seventies and Eighties, when I was old enough to remember, and I imagine that was true for the rest of the Seventies and the Sixties aswell. NRK itself has been quite good at retaining its own drama productions. On their "Net-TV" the archive is available for free, I have seen material from as far back as 1960 that was clearly retained on and transferred from videotape. Not that it is any consolation to this forum, and BBCs output was obviously vastly larger. It wasn't completely pointless: apart from the two obscure episodes I mentioned - non-who - I found several clips and interviews (still non-who... except for a brief Tom Baker appearance). How to put it? "The chances of winning the lottery are a lot larger if you're not just counting on the first prize." I had some scans of newspapers from 1970 lying around from a different inquiry, so I found a Friday issue to see what was on. Fridays were and still are "crime night", then usually British, US or German shows, with the odd Norwegian or Swedish production thrown in. I have to admit that I haven't heard of Paul Temple before, but it says that it is British.
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Post by RWels on Feb 15, 2021 10:11:40 GMT
I believe that Paul Temple is partly missing. The chances that the NRK kept their copy are very very small; but, a different program may have shown a clip from it. (No facts, I'm only making this up as an example.) Or someone might have recorded the audio if they were a fan; but that is not very likely to surface.
But you could always try to ask their archive department if any footage remains (if you explain that the original is lost).
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Post by T. Kielland on Feb 24, 2021 12:30:25 GMT
I contacted NRK and got a reply from the chief archivist saying that the NRK archives didn't retain any BBC episodes, and that they had no record of having transferred any to other film archives in Norway, as expected.
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Post by RWels on Feb 24, 2021 13:00:10 GMT
I contacted NRK and got a reply from the chief archivist saying that the NRK archives didn't retain any BBC episodes, and that they had no record of having transferred any to other film archives in Norway, as expected. Well, it was good to try anyway. It's the "problem" with living in a well organised country: people clear away old stuff. And it was the agreement anyway, that copies were to be returned after use.
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 24, 2021 21:00:14 GMT
I have the DVDs of both releases of Paul Temple, they are pretty good and its disappointing that more of it does not surive. The second DVD set is I think 5 black and white episodes that were found in New Zealand.
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Post by Krisander T. Weum on Feb 26, 2021 18:34:22 GMT
I'm also Norwegian and thought of NRK maybe buying Doctor Who back then, but according to NRK (even today from back when I contacted them some years ago) the Norwegian people have no interest in Sci-Fi nor Fantasy.
They said the same thing when they tried to show Doctor Who back in 2005 with the new series, the fact that NRK is mostly watched by old people over the age of 50 is probably why those views were trash.
Because Norway has one of the biggest Star Wars communities and when Netflix got popular in 2012-13 era and they got Doctor Who it was the most watched show on Netflix among Norwegian viewers.
So NRK is full of s--t, as they've always been.
Wish they had bought any Dr. Who stuff back then, but those folks can barely keep their own archives in-check in the 21st century so I don't know.
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Post by RWels on Feb 26, 2021 21:23:32 GMT
I'm also Norwegian and thought of NRK maybe buying Doctor Who back then, but according to NRK (even today from back when I contacted them some years ago) the Norwegian people have no interest in Sci-Fi nor Fantasy.
They said the same thing when they tried to show Doctor Who back in 2005 with the new series, the fact that NRK is mostly watched by old people over the age of 50 is probably why those views were trash.
Because Norway has one of the biggest Star Wars communities and when Netflix got popular in 2012-13 era and they got Doctor Who it was the most watched show on Netflix among Norwegian viewers.
So NRK is full of s--t, as they've always been.
Wish they had bought any Dr. Who stuff back then, but those folks can barely keep their own archives in check in the 21st century so I don't know. OK but mainstream programs are also welcome if they should turn up there. Missing BBC Sherlock Holmes or comedy...
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Post by Krisander T. Weum on Feb 26, 2021 21:31:11 GMT
I'm also Norwegian and thought of NRK maybe buying Doctor Who back then, but according to NRK (even today from back when I contacted them some years ago) the Norwegian people have no interest in Sci-Fi nor Fantasy.
They said the same thing when they tried to show Doctor Who back in 2005 with the new series, the fact that NRK is mostly watched by old people over the age of 50 is probably why those views were trash.
Because Norway has one of the biggest Star Wars communities and when Netflix got popular in 2012-13 era and they got Doctor Who it was the most watched show on Netflix among Norwegian viewers.
So NRK is full of s--t, as they've always been.
Wish they had bought any Dr. Who stuff back then, but those folks can barely keep their own archives in check in the 21st century so I don't know. OK but mainstream programs are also welcome if they should turn up there. Missing BBC Sherlock Holmes or comedy. Of course, but as far as I know NRK only showed Norwegian TV programs until the end of 1980s when they started to get British shows like Family Ashton etc. So don't think any missing British media will come from NRK, missing Norwegian media however can be another story...
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