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Post by Mike Biggs on Mar 10, 2018 1:52:56 GMT
There certainly wasn't any need in NZ, all transmission dates were staggered, so the one set of prints were bicycled around the country. Apparently in Australia there are examples of the same serial being broadcast at the same time at different lengths of the country - that might indicate a need given the limited connectivity of the time. It's all down to whatever the ABC thought was the easiest and cheapest way to do their job. That’s not correct gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Australia“On rare occasions, the same episode aired on the same day but in different states, which meant that multiple prints of some episodes may have existed, although there were other methods by which 'dual' transmissions across the different states could be achieved.” The different possibilities are outlined here: gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Australia_TX_1965-1967"During the 1960s and 1970s, on the infrequent occasion that the same episode of Doctor Who aired in the west on the same day as it did in the east, there is uncertainty as to the mechanism by which this was achieved in every instance. There were several 'dual' screening methods available and employed by the Australian TV networks." Several of the methods listed there include duplication of some kind, so they did have a need for it in their operations. Whether they did any duplication of Doctor Who is entirely another matter.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 10, 2018 9:29:58 GMT
It seems most unlikely that there was ‘mass’ duplication.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Mar 10, 2018 22:25:32 GMT
It seems most unlikely that there was ‘mass’ duplication. I'd agree - I doubt the ABC would spend money on something if they didn't need to. It would be interesting to check the archives and confirm either way though (if it hasn't already been tried).
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Post by John Wall on Mar 10, 2018 22:45:32 GMT
It seems most unlikely that there was ‘mass’ duplication. I'd agree - I doubt the ABC would spend money on something if they didn't need to. It would be interesting to check the archives and confirm either way though (if it hasn't already been tried). It looks like virtually everything was returned or destroyed. It comes down to relative cost. When the audience was small the cost per episode/story was small and the cost of the media could be significant - nowadays the cost of the media doesn’t matter.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Mar 11, 2018 2:04:04 GMT
I'd agree - I doubt the ABC would spend money on something if they didn't need to. It would be interesting to check the archives and confirm either way though (if it hasn't already been tried). It looks like virtually everything was returned or destroyed. It comes down to relative cost. When the audience was small the cost per episode/story was small and the cost of the media could be significant - nowadays the cost of the media doesn’t matter. Yes, why would they keep duplicates used for their own internal purposes - there'd be no reason, particularly after they had destroyed or returned the original films from the BBC. About the only thing it might mean is a slight increase in the chance of something ending up in private hands.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 11, 2018 8:42:38 GMT
There are some who come up with scenarios simply to increase the possible number of prints - however, there were only ever a certain number of prints and nothing can change that.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Mar 11, 2018 10:07:32 GMT
There are some who come up with scenarios simply to increase the possible number of prints - however, there were only ever a certain number of prints and nothing can change that. Indeed. For me, the can by itself isn't enough to confirm anything. The whole scenario is plausible and certainly worth investigating, but I won't believe it without documentary evidence or a duplicate film. The only thing likely to be gained from any research into it though, will be a better understanding of how Doctor Who was transmitted in Australia.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 11, 2018 11:50:02 GMT
There are some who come up with scenarios simply to increase the possible number of prints - however, there were only ever a certain number of prints and nothing can change that. Indeed. For me, the can by itself isn't enough to confirm anything. The whole scenario is plausible and certainly worth investigating, but I won't believe it without documentary evidence or a duplicate film. The only thing likely to be gained from any research into it though, will be a better understanding of how Doctor Who was transmitted in Australia. The transmission dates seem pretty well established - but I’m not very good on Aussie geography!
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 12, 2018 18:29:27 GMT
In the off chance dup prints or dup tapes were made and distributed, it is almost certain they have been disposed of and destroyed. Highly unlikely there sitting on a dusty shelf 40+ years.... unless someone rescued/pilfered one. In which case the only hope is an out of the blue return of an orphaned episode or two.
Unless an actual print comes to light, its just a theory.
LOL, With my luck its actually true, but all that survives is 6 copies of Space Pirates 2.....
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Post by Simon Collis on Mar 13, 2018 9:35:33 GMT
There are some who come up with scenarios simply to increase the possible number of prints - however, there were only ever a certain number of prints and nothing can change that. And I have no problems with that if it's in the context of "let's start with the best and worst case scenarios based on what we know, and use that to try and get to a most plausible scenario" methodology - it can be a useful reasoning tool if used properly. But a label on an empty can proves only that someone put a label on a can. It doesn't prove there was ever anything in it other than empty air...
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Post by John Wall on Mar 13, 2018 15:52:49 GMT
The problem is that there have been recoveries that probably “shouldn’t” have happened.
We have three episodes of Masterplan.
If my analysis, presented on another thread, is correct we’ve got Tomb because it was sent early from Hong Kong to Singapore and had to be returned to HK. Had that not happened it would have gone the same way as the other stories that ended up in Singapore.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Mar 23, 2018 9:19:08 GMT
the Masterplan eps are almost certainly the Australian audition prints so they aren't really a mystery.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 23, 2018 20:49:39 GMT
the Masterplan eps are almost certainly the Australian audition prints so they aren't really a mystery. Based on the fact they were the only copies shipped out? Do we have any records on how many were created (struck from the negatives)? Viewing copies? It is entirely possible they were from the returned set, but this too is an unknown. You know what they say about "assuming".....
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Post by simonashby on Mar 23, 2018 22:15:50 GMT
You know what they say about "assuming"..... The same goes for "clutching at straws".
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Post by John Wall on Mar 24, 2018 0:34:08 GMT
the Masterplan eps are almost certainly the Australian audition prints so they aren't really a mystery. Based on the fact they were the only copies shipped out? Do we have any records on how many were created (struck from the negatives)? Viewing copies? It is entirely possible they were from the returned set, but this too is an unknown. You know what they say about "assuming"..... If Australia had bought it, it would have then been viable for others. They didn’t....
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