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Post by ianphillips on Jul 23, 2017 19:43:41 GMT
Over the years people have discovered clips from numerous different missing serials including Galaxy 4, The Abominable Snowmen, and The Power of the Daleks in various TV programs other than Doctor Who like Perspective: C for Computer, Whose Doctor Who, and Tomorrow's World with the most recent discovery in 2005. I'm certain that there have to be hundreds if not thousands of episodes of old TV programs from the 60s and early 70s that haven't been viewed (or at least broadcast) since their initial airdates lying in the BBC, NZBC, ABC in Australia, or whatever other tv station of your choosing. Could there be clips from missing Doctor Who episodes (or just missing tv episodes in general) just waiting to be found in other old tv shows? I mean, Doctor Who even did it for that Top of the Pops clip of the Beatles in The Chase.
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Post by tomharper on Jul 24, 2017 1:33:59 GMT
I believe there was a thread about this a while ago. How episodes of current affair or lifestyle shows had clips from missing episodes. One example was how A Spoonful of Sugar, a programme where celebrities would visit children in hospitals, once aired a clip of the Dalek civil war from Evil of the Daleks, because one of the children told Rolf Harris (yes!) he was a Doctor Who fan. Apparently clip were also shown on series like Ask Aspel or Points of View. Unfortunately, most of these episodes with the missing footage are themselves missing. All bad luck for us it seems! Anyway, I'm sure someone with far more knowledge than me can shed light on the matter.
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Post by tomharper on Jul 24, 2017 2:59:23 GMT
Also, besides the Power clips from Perspectives: C for Computer, have any other non-UK nonfiction series been looked into for potential finds? Somewhere like Australia (again), or New Zealand could be likely.
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Post by bevanthomas on Jul 24, 2017 11:17:38 GMT
New Zealand almost rival the BBC for getting rid of their own stuff from the same era. Very little survives in full from the 1970s, either.
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Post by tomharper on Jul 24, 2017 11:24:38 GMT
New Zealand almost rival the BBC for getting rid of their own stuff from the same era. Very little survives in full from the 1970s, either. That is a great pity indeed. I was more wondering though if there might have been a series of some sort from outside the UK that could have possibly aired Who clips. Whether they (theoretically) survived or not is half the question.
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Post by Angus H on Jul 27, 2017 7:28:20 GMT
New Zealand almost rival the BBC for getting rid of their own stuff from the same era. Very little survives in full from the 1970s, either. This wasn't just the case in the 1970's. For example, almost all of the first two seasons of The Billy T James Show (arguably New Zealand's most iconic television series) were wiped after transition in the mid 1980's and are now gone forever. Unfortunately attitudes don't seem to have changed from my personal experiences down here and they don't seem to be attached to that generation either. I saved a pile of NZBC film cans about a year ago when the facilities manager (in his late 20's) of the old television station found them in the attic and was in the process of throwing them out (note that he didn't know what they were and was still perfectly at ease disposing of them). Just imagine if one of those had been a Doctor Who or any other missing TV. The sad reality is there are young people out there as well as old who still don't understand the potential value of these items.
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Post by bevanthomas on Jul 27, 2017 9:13:08 GMT
New Zealand almost rival the BBC for getting rid of their own stuff from the same era. Very little survives in full from the 1970s, either. This wasn't just the case in the 1970's. For example, almost all of the first two seasons of The Billy T James Show (arguably New Zealand's most iconic television series) were wiped after transition in the mid 1980's and are now gone forever. Unfortunately attitudes don't seem to have changed from my personal experiences down here and they don't seem to be attached to that generation either. I saved a pile of NZBC film cans about a year ago when the facilities manager (in his late 20's) of the old television station found them in the attic and was in the process of throwing them out (note that he didn't know what they were and was still perfectly at ease disposing of them). Just imagine if one of those had been a Doctor Who or any other missing TV. The sad reality is there are young people out there as well as old who still don't understand the potential value of these items. Our very own Adam Lee? Eek! Technically he could be charged or, more likely, face disciplinary action for dumping property that technically didn't belong to him. Probably won't happen though. We have so much missing TV that it beggars belief that people could still be shortsighted about it. Many of these I grew up watching. Remember "Radio Times", the variety show that first catapulted Billy T to stardom? We used to watch that all the time. And "Nice One, Stu"? Those are likely gone now too. Admittedly a lot of our earlier home-grown stuff wasn't much cop but it would be nice to have it still. I wonder if NZ On Air or the National Archives have a remit yet to keep everything? I know they often call out for stuff, even on home formats.
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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Aug 17, 2017 12:56:36 GMT
I saved a pile of NZBC film cans about a year ago when the facilities manager (in his late 20's) of the old television station found them in the attic and was in the process of throwing them out (note that he didn't know what they were and was still perfectly at ease disposing of them). Just imagine if one of those had been a Doctor Who or any other missing TV. The sad reality is there are young people out there as well as old who still don't understand the potential value of these items. Hi, I'm curious what television shows were in those film cans. Anything unique you saved from oblivion? What time period were the shows produced? Are there no television archives in New Zealand? I would have thought by now television stations would have been swept top to bottom by those looking for Dr. Who, and anything else found send to archives. How can a television station hire someone so uncurious, who cares so little for television as to happy throw out film cans without seeing whats in them?
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Post by RWels on Aug 17, 2017 15:35:27 GMT
New Zealand almost rival the BBC for getting rid of their own stuff from the same era. Hm, I wonder who takes the lead if it's put properly in percentages. It isn't necessarily the BBC. Where is the first season of The Avengers? I had some weird reason to ask for some 1960s programs from ZDF, Germany, and those were gone too. So much for German Gründlichkeit. Or what about stations that made programs no-one is nostalgic for; they simply wouldn't be missed so no-one would blame that broadcaster.
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Post by Pete Morris on Aug 19, 2017 13:16:13 GMT
People making a clip show such as Ask Aspel can't just use a clip any time they like. It has to be sorted out with the creators of the original show. They would need to borrow the tape/ film of the original show, and then return it. They would need to pay residuals to all those involved in the original clip including actors, director, composer of incidental music, etc. This leaves a paper trail. Missing episode hunters have been following the trails for years. It's unlikely they've missed anything substantial.
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Post by bevanthomas on Aug 21, 2017 12:04:07 GMT
Yes, well... we've all said similar things in the past. "Oh, better people than us have been looking for these things and found nowt." And then a bloke called Phil Morris came along...
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Post by bevanthomas on Aug 23, 2017 11:18:24 GMT
Hi, I'm curious what television shows were in those film cans. Anything unique you saved from oblivion? What time period were the shows produced? Are there no television archives in New Zealand? I would have thought by now television stations would have been swept top to bottom by those looking for Dr. Who, and anything else found send to archives. How can a television station hire someone so uncurious, who cares so little for television as to happy throw out film cans without seeing whats in them? Eek! I didn't actually say what you've quoted me as saying there. That was Angus H of this parish.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Sept 21, 2017 7:37:42 GMT
I've gone through ABC's footage sales database; it's far from complete and even if it were there is a strong possibility it could exclude clips.
The search is pretty ordinary, many un-dated items will show up with no real criteria. The average return with "Doctor Who" is a news piece on malpractice.
Items of note are the 2003 George Negus Tonight (AKA Dimensions) anniversary (with its irritating footage of Richard Hurndall), a piece on Melbourne fans for a 1993 TVTV segment, another undated TVTV piece on an "out of this world sci-fi exhibition", a 4.31 interview of Jon Pertwee by Kel Richards dated 30 May 1980, Pertwee's obituary piece, an undated piece on Perth fans appearing in Hay Street Mall in costume to promote a convention (literally appearing, handing out flyers in "fastmo" and then vanishing when reporter John Richards puts on a gas mask), a cover of the theme on Spicks and Specks, a titles montage from 1984 and a couple of pieces on a yacht called "Doctor Who"
This is the pick of the bunch, anyone know about this?
ID: 119666 - SUNDAY AFTERNOON WITH PETER ROSS; GUEST, ROBYN WILLIAMS - PROGRAM
Duration: 3.58.00 Location: SYDNEY,NSW,AUSTRALIA Summary: FOUR HOUR ARTS PROGRAM CONSISTING OF OVERSEAS PURCHASED & AUSTRALIAN MADE PROGRAMS AS WELL AS THE STUDIO LINKS (INCLUDES WILLIAMS APPEARING IN 'DR WHO/DOCTOR WHO' EPISODE 'THE KROTONS' B&W)
Personalities: PETER ROSS, ABC PRESENTER; ROBYN WILLIAMS, ABC SCIENTIFIC EXPERT
Shotlist: NONE
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Sept 22, 2017 9:30:00 GMT
Yes, well... we've all said similar things in the past. "Oh, better people than us have been looking for these things and found nowt." And then a bloke called Phil Morris came along... Fair point, but it does suggest three things if there are more clips to be found in programs: 1) A systematic hunt through all programs; 2) Looking broadly for anything that could be missing rather than just Doctor Who; 3) This search to be done by the people doing the searching, and in ways helpful to the host archive- producing a general inventory of programs for them, rather than making whatever staff they have hunt for clips. Overall, it is possible that there are clips that have been missed- but it would probably take as systematic an approach as Philip Morris to find them.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Sept 22, 2017 16:54:06 GMT
Two more, featuring Daleks. First one undated news piece on the sale of a Dalek. From surrounding entries this may date to 1986.
ID: 28455 - SEGMENT - DALEK SALE Duration: 1.04 Location: NONE ENTERED Summary: NONE ENTERED Personalities: CHRISTINE BONGERS; ABC REPORTER; PHIL WALLINGTON, ABC TV MANAGER Shotlist: ABC DALEK TO BE SOLD; EXTRACT "DR WHO" EPISODE; IV WALLINGTON; CU DALEK THROUGH SMOKE; CU BONGERS NEAR DALEK
Second is a science documentary series called Quantum. Entry header says "86" but it could be from 1984 (the date I have for Geoffrey Burchfield working on the show). The Terrigator was a robot with wheels which would find its way through a course of witches hats. Dalek library footage unknown.
ID: 250020 - QUANTUM; 86/15 - PROGRAM - SCHODDE ON BIRDS; KEYMASTER; TERRIGATOR Duration: 31.13 Personalities: GEOFFREY BURCHFIELD, ABC REPORTER; MARVIN MINSKY, PROFESSOR, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE EXPERT 13.56 THIRD ITEM: TERRIGATOR; MCU BURCHFIELD RTC; LIB FTG: (EX "DR WHO") VS COMMANDER DALEK INSTRUCTING GROUP OF DALEKS; MLS MINSKY RELAXED WITH HIS FEET UP
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