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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 6, 2017 20:03:16 GMT
So the American company BritBox (who give access to British programmes such as Doctor Who) are showing off at a convention on the 20th of July a Wheel In Space reconstruction which they are bringing to their platform. Just wondered what your thoughts on this are and to discuss the possibility of getting official reconstructions from the BBC as it's not made clear in the article where this made and who sanctioned it. I assume we'll get more details on the 20th. I know some people are going to point to this as yet another sign of the return of Wheel In Space but I'm not really convinced by that at least without anything concrete, it was more likely chosen as it's the only missing Cyberman story that hasn't been animated but we don't know. Thoughts then? Here's the article I read for context although it gives little detail: nerdist.com/classic-doctor-who-sdcc-panel-will-premiere-reconstructed-lost-episode/
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Post by Greg H on Jul 6, 2017 22:05:15 GMT
Hmm, is wheel in space the current rumour doing the rounds then? I think there was one about that years ago that didn't come to anything; I can't remember specifics at the mo. Of course any recovered Troughton would be good Do you know if this recon is animated or using the Cura telesnaps or something completely different? I tend to prefer the telesnap and soundtrack variety myself, but that's just me
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 6, 2017 22:55:23 GMT
Hmm, is wheel in space the current rumour doing the rounds then? I think there was one about that years ago that didn't come to anything; I can't remember specifics at the mo. Of course any recovered Troughton would be good Do you know if this recon is animated or using the Cura telesnaps or something completely different? I tend to prefer the telesnap and soundtrack variety myself, but that's just me No idea, it's too vague to really tell in the article. I wouldn't get your hopes up for a full animation yet.
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Post by zaqwilson on Jul 6, 2017 23:18:50 GMT
PM was tracking Snowman and Wheel in one of his last interviews, but likely a wild goose chase. After reading the article, I don't think there is any connection between this and a potential Wheel recovery--but likely to kindle some rumors... Its been so silent, rumor/lead wise, id be surprised if it didn't.
I also prefer the telesnap recons to animation as they feel closer to the original. However, since I have the loose cannon recon of Wheel, animation would be welcome as something different (I like both Telesnap recon of Power and animation--they have a distinctively different Ora to them).
Thankx for the info Dylan!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 6, 2017 23:30:23 GMT
PM was tracking Snowman and Wheel in one of his last interviews, but likely a wild goose chase. After reading the article, I don't think there is any connection between this and a potential Wheel recovery--but likely to kindle some rumors... Its been so silent, rumor/lead wise, id be surprised if it didn't. I also prefer the telesnap recons to animation as they feel closer to the original. However, since I have the loose cannon recon of Wheel, animation would be welcome as something different (I like both Telesnap recon of Power and animation--they have a distinctively different Ora to them). Thankx for the info Dylan! You're welcome and I agree other than the fact I prefer a good animation to a recon myself but I can see where you are coming from.
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Post by Scot Ferre on Jul 6, 2017 23:51:26 GMT
I saw a comment on a FB group that mentioned Steve Roberts said it was a telesnap recon.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 7, 2017 0:52:34 GMT
PM was tracking Snowman and Wheel in one of his last interviews, but likely a wild goose chase. After reading the article, I don't think there is any connection between this and a potential Wheel recovery--but likely to kindle some rumors... Its been so silent, rumor/lead wise, id be surprised if it didn't. I also prefer the telesnap recons to animation as they feel closer to the original. However, since I have the loose cannon recon of Wheel, animation would be welcome as something different (I like both Telesnap recon of Power and animation--they have a distinctively different Ora to them). Thankx for the info Dylan! You're welcome and I agree other than the fact I prefer a good animation to a recon myself but I can see where you are coming from. For me it really depends on the animation/reconstruction as to which I like more. For example, I prefer the Mission to the Unknown animation to the recon, but the POTD recon to the animation. Some stories just work better as recons and others work better as animations and animations vary in quality, etc. I guess a Wheel animation would be cool. It's not super high on my list of stories I want animated, but I think it'd work pretty well as opposed to say The Abominable Snowmen, which I think would fail hard as an animation. Now if they were animating The Celestial Toymaker then I'd be excited. That one would just look beautiful as an animation.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 7, 2017 7:43:58 GMT
You're welcome and I agree other than the fact I prefer a good animation to a recon myself but I can see where you are coming from. For me it really depends on the animation/reconstruction as to which I like more. For example, I prefer the Mission to the Unknown animation to the recon, but the POTD recon to the animation. Some stories just work better as recons and others work better as animations and animations vary in quality, etc. I guess a Wheel animation would be cool. It's not super high on my list of stories I want animated, but I think it'd work pretty well as opposed to say The Abominable Snowmen, which I think would fail hard as an animation. Now if they were animating The Celestial Toymaker then I'd be excited. That one would just look beautiful as an animation. Yeah I can agree somewhat but if they were all done as well as The Moonbase animation I'd never watch a recon again. I think the most direly in need of animation is The Massacre as it can be quite hard to follow if you're not paying it full attention, shame as its a brilliant story that goes quite underrated.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 7, 2017 7:45:36 GMT
I saw a comment on a FB group that mentioned Steve Roberts said it was a telesnap recon. Who is he?
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Post by John Wall on Jul 7, 2017 15:29:10 GMT
I saw a comment on a FB group that mentioned Steve Roberts said it was a telesnap recon. Who is he? Member of the RT.
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Post by tombeveridge on Jul 7, 2017 16:16:58 GMT
RT = Restoration Team, which did a lot of good work to prepare "classic" Who for DVD release.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 7, 2017 21:02:43 GMT
For me it really depends on the animation/reconstruction as to which I like more. For example, I prefer the Mission to the Unknown animation to the recon, but the POTD recon to the animation. Some stories just work better as recons and others work better as animations and animations vary in quality, etc. I guess a Wheel animation would be cool. It's not super high on my list of stories I want animated, but I think it'd work pretty well as opposed to say The Abominable Snowmen, which I think would fail hard as an animation. Now if they were animating The Celestial Toymaker then I'd be excited. That one would just look beautiful as an animation. Yeah I can agree somewhat but if they were all done as well as The Moonbase animation I'd never watch a recon again. I think the most direly in need of animation is The Massacre as it can be quite hard to follow if you're not paying it full attention, shame as its a brilliant story that goes quite underrated. The only problem with that is that historicals generally don't lend themselves very well to animation (The Reign of Terror) because they tend to rely more heavily on dialogue and subtle interactions which animations aren't very good at. It would be like trying to watch The Edge of Destruction as an animation. I think that's one of the reasons why the tensions between the colony members didn't translate very well in the POTD animation. Animations can make action excellently, but lose most of the subtleties in human expression.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 7, 2017 21:54:08 GMT
Thanks, pretty reliable source then.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 7, 2017 21:54:49 GMT
Yeah I can agree somewhat but if they were all done as well as The Moonbase animation I'd never watch a recon again. I think the most direly in need of animation is The Massacre as it can be quite hard to follow if you're not paying it full attention, shame as its a brilliant story that goes quite underrated. The only problem with that is that historicals generally don't lend themselves very well to animation (The Reign of Terror) because they tend to rely more heavily on dialogue and subtle interactions which animations aren't very good at. It would be like trying to watch The Edge of Destruction as an animation. I think that's one of the reasons why the tensions between the colony members didn't translate very well in the POTD animation. Animations can make action excellently, but lose most of the subtleties in human expression. True but you'll get more than on a recon at least.
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Post by DavidGreene on Jul 9, 2017 4:03:23 GMT
Well this is a pleasant surprise. Wheel does make the most sense since it has evenly spaced missing episodes. Part of me is hoping for a DVD release of the reconstruction, though I am doubtful of it. Would love if this was animated but recons are amazing if they're done well.
Also looking over BritBox's selection of Second Doctor episodes, I find it odd that only Fury from the Deep is labeled as missing. I know it's probably just a clerical error. Also I wonder if they're using the animations or the recons for the episodes to partially completed stories like the Invasion. I mean they have the animated episodes so why not use them?
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