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Post by jcoleman on May 5, 2020 12:04:01 GMT
Am I the only one who is more interested in the extras for this release than the new animation? Personally I don't find animations better than reconstructions. Psychologically I find animation 'childish', probably because I associate it with the cartoons I watched as a child and which I grew out of.
I do enjoy seeing all the clips and images that survive from a story, even more so when they are placed in context of the overall story, and attempts to recreate sequences photo-realistically. I'm therefore really looking forward to seeing:
- The surviving broadcast-quality footage remastered
- The results of Peter Crocker's remastering of the 8mm cine clips, which apparently has removed the 'black fog'.
- The 10 newly uncovered clips (off-cuts presumably), even if they are only half a second long and need to be slowed down and looped to make them viewable.
- The expanded photo gallery with fresh, presumably higher quality, scans.
- Mike Tucker's recreation of the Dalek conveyor belt scene.
- The photogammetry featurette
Richard, I assume there isn't going to be an 'upgraded telesnaps/photographic recon' on this release is there? There's nothing listed in the extras that have been announced, but I thought I'd read somewhere that there was going to be one featuring some CGI.
Either way I'll buy this release. After all it's not as if I'll be spending my money on any new series discs anymore!
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 5, 2020 14:26:52 GMT
Richard, I assume there isn't going to be an 'upgraded telesnaps/photographic recon' on this release is there? There's nothing listed in the extras that have been announced, but I thought I'd read somewhere that there was going to be one featuring some CGI. Yes, there's a new recon for this one with CGI work by Simon Ayres.
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Post by jcoleman on May 5, 2020 15:04:05 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Richard. All the more reason to purchase it!
Any idea if we might get a trailer reel of some sort to further whet our appetite?
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Post by RhysH on May 5, 2020 15:41:16 GMT
Am I the only one who is more interested in the extras for this release than the new animation? Personally I don't find animations better than reconstructions. Psychologically I find animation 'childish', probably because I associate it with the cartoons I watched as a child and which I grew out of. Ha ha! That's something the wife says to me - "watching your cartoons?" "No actually - this is an animated series and not Tom & Jerry..." In all seriousness, they are well worth a watch. We are so lucky to have the original audio, so to be able to apply that to the animations is really making the best out of a rotten situation. The extra's are invaluable - great to see those interviews or surviving snippets of footage. It brings it home though from what they said on that interview I shared yesterday - since the first release of POTD, so many more involved in that story have sadly passed on, so I hope the teams involved in these projects are doing as much as they can to get as many interviews recorded to keep forever (I hope that came out ok - not trying to be insensitive, more just wanting to hear as much as poss from those involved in the missing stories).
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 5, 2020 16:33:06 GMT
At this stage in time Richard,animations for missing Dr Who stories are still a novelty,so fans like me will still buy them because of this. I'm not sure that actually answers the question though, Jaspal. I honestly can't see what point you're making here. Every time the various teams produce a new DVD/BR, regardless of whether that's of a missing story or an existing one, were trying to make it the very best we can within the budget we have. The often means going over and beyond what we really can afford to be doing, simply because we love the programme itself, so we want to present the best product possible. Take for instance the commentaries that Toby Hadoke puts together for the animated releases. There is pretty much no budget at all for those or often no budget at all, but he goes the extra mile and does it anyway because he want's the end product to be better that it otherwise would be. And a telesnap recon isn't "better" in any pejorative sense. It's just a different way of experiencing the same story, which is why the releases also include them. Some people have different tolerances. Some will always view the animation as the superior product and for others it's the other way around. Regardless, the entire animation team that did the original release of Power felt that their work could be improved with the experience they had gained. BBC Studios felt the same and will willing to allocate them the budget to do so. That's entirely your prerogative. Personally, I love to see the programme restored to near as possible the quality of the original transmission tapes - and indeed even more so when the original film elements still exist and can be rescanned in HD. I also love the plethora of new material we are able to include as well, be that brand new features or never seen before archive material. But that desire to experience the core programme in a better format than before is key for me. Otherwise I would have stuck with the multi-generational VHS copies of the old stories I obtained during the 1980s! Not a chance. There isn't anywhere near enough money in the boxset budget to do anything with animations. Again, I really don't have a clue where you're going with this one. You say that an animation of a Target novelisation would be "excellent", but then use it as a basis to condemn the new Power animation because you think (wrongly) that that's what the new release is going to be. To make the new release sufficiently different whilst at the same time maintaining the integrity of the original perhaps? But these are just thoughts off the top of my head Richard,the animators have done sterling work and I've loved all the previous releases.The animations have obviously had a great deal of love and effort invested in them and I can't wait for the new release July!
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Post by richardwoods on May 5, 2020 21:07:07 GMT
Bring it on. Enjoyed the first version, looking forward to the new, improved release.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 5, 2020 21:15:27 GMT
Bring it on. Enjoyed the first version, looking forward to the new, improved release. Agree Richard-after all my previous bluster!😂
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Post by stevehoare61 on May 6, 2020 6:17:54 GMT
Im just glad we are getting it. I have not been overly impressed by some of the animations, its great that its the closest we will get to the real thing, but due to perfectly understandable limitations on budget etc, some of them have been poor. There have been times when you wouldn't know who Polly and Ben were, therefore after seeing the stills, of Power , they look so much better, its been made in B/W, which the animation seems to take into consideration helps enormously. This was the first story I remember well as a child, and when watching the animation, certain scenes were either very different or missing from things in my minds eye. Chances are this time that may be different. So bring it on.
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Post by George D on May 6, 2020 18:13:20 GMT
Im just glad we are getting it. I have not been overly impressed by some of the animations, its great that its the closest we will get to the real thing, but due to perfectly understandable limitations on budget etc, some of them have been poor. There have been times when you wouldn't know who Polly and Ben were, therefore after seeing the stills, of Power , they look so much better, its been made in B/W, which the animation seems to take into consideration helps enormously. This was the first story I remember well as a child, and when watching the animation, certain scenes were either very different or missing from things in my minds eye. Chances are this time that may be different. So bring it on. First hand memories are always appreciated. Please share what you remember that was different than the animation. I would love brainstorming between you and other first hand viewers to recreate the most exact visualization of it.
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 6, 2020 21:18:55 GMT
The lovely Jeremy Bentham talks about this in his recent Something Who podcast interview, where he says he recalls the Doctor bouncing an orange off the wall. You can hear it happening, but no photographs show it.
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 7, 2020 2:47:36 GMT
When the Doctor meets the Examiner in the Mercury swamps, the Doctor is holding his recorder outwards like a 'wand'. When the Examiner is then shot, the Doctor looks at the end of his recorder, thinking it has gone off like a gun! One of the telesnaps captures part of this.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on May 7, 2020 11:05:02 GMT
Im just glad we are getting it. I have not been overly impressed by some of the animations, its great that its the closest we will get to the real thing, but due to perfectly understandable limitations on budget etc, some of them have been poor. There have been times when you wouldn't know who Polly and Ben were, therefore after seeing the stills, of Power , they look so much better, its been made in B/W, which the animation seems to take into consideration helps enormously. This was the first story I remember well as a child, and when watching the animation, certain scenes were either very different or missing from things in my minds eye. Chances are this time that may be different. So bring it on. First hand memories are always appreciated. Please share what you remember that was different than the animation. I would love brainstorming between you and other first hand viewers to recreate the most exact visualization of it. I still have what I consider vivid memories of this story although I guess they are to a degree inevitably fading as the years go by. And that is one of the reasons I won't watch the animated release - I do not wish these memories eclipsed or diluted in any way. If I think hard enough I can still see Troughton in his stove pipe hat wandering the surface of Vulcan before we switch to his companions debating his identity in the Tardis. In a later episode the Doctor is in conversation with Polly and Ben before he leaves them and briefly ventures inside the capsule before being escorted out by two gunless Daleks. I always remembered that they had no weapons, and of course this is referred to in the audio recording so the dialogue would have cemented this. Another scene I didn't notice in the telesnaps which fascinated me was when the eye stalk of one Dalek did a full 360 degree revolution. This was most likely with Lesterton in the laboratory but could have been in another episode. Likewise Troughton placed his hat over a Daleks eyepiece at one point. I have never forgotten the production line where what looked like a starfish was placed inside a Dalek casing as the petrified Lesterton looked on. It was my elder brother who told me the machine was called a conveyor belt. And yes I can still see the eye stalk moving at the stories conclusion after the Tardis had departed Vulcan. Without wishing to over dramatise - there are much more important things in life - these recollections will go with me to the grave. I felt David Howe best summed this up in a DWAS publication before Tomb was recovered. Asked for his memories of the then lost classic, his article concluded with something like - `What is remembered now about Tomb of the Cybermen will never be forgotten!'
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Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on May 7, 2020 16:17:41 GMT
I buy everything related to missing episodes just to show "the powers that be" (and I might be referring to God here) how much interest there still is in them.
Richard
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Post by richardwoods on May 7, 2020 19:19:27 GMT
I buy everything related to missing episodes just to show "the powers that be" (and I might be referring to God here) how much interest there still is in them. Richard Hats off to you Mr Develyn. Couldn’t have put it better!
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Post by Robert Lia on May 7, 2020 23:12:15 GMT
Ill be buying it again my self (if Amazon UK ever starts to ship to the USA again)
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