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Post by Alastair Roxburgh on Oct 12, 2003 16:27:54 GMT
This may be a naive question, but has anyone looked into what might exist on 1970s or 1980s BBC VTs that were rerecorded with newer material, perhaps leaving some footage of the original recording past the end od the newer material? Or did the infamaous "wiping" process clean off the tape prior to re-use?
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Post by dubs on Oct 12, 2003 17:27:44 GMT
Not all tapes were wiped as evidenced by Out Of The Unknown ep turning up after being recorded over with something else.
Then theres the studio recording of the 73 TOTP that was plonked on the end of a VT that had a behind the scenes show that featured it.
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Post by Keith Brockway on Oct 12, 2003 19:44:33 GMT
Do you know exactly which TOTP edition this was by any chance?
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Post by dubs on Oct 12, 2003 20:28:34 GMT
I think its 11/10/73 with Kenny Everett.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 12, 2003 20:47:30 GMT
Not always were the tapes erased first. There are instances of Blue Peter episodes being recorded over episodes of Foctor Who (completely) and the 1967 Vanity Fair production (a bit of the end exists after the BP ends - although the whole thing exists on NTSC, this is the only PAL footage). I'm sure there are numerous other instances too. Someone here will be able to relate them...
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Post by Simon Mclean on Oct 13, 2003 0:00:08 GMT
Just to clear up what's on the 11/10/73 TOTP tape.
This is the complete unedited studio recording (with fluffs, retakes etc.) hosted by Kenny Everett.
At the end of the tape Kenny is interviewed by two kids about TOTP and the pop music scene for another show (the VT clock says it's called 'Search:Pop'). After the interview Kenny takes us on a brief tour of the TOTP set then does a few takes of the intro piece to the interview.
It's fair to say Kenny doesn't look like he particularly wanted to do all this extra stuff - the interview is awkward and stilted in places, and quite uncomfortable to watch.
The studio tape for TOTP 20/10/77 also still exists, but all that's on the end of this are various title sequence tests for 'An Evening With Glenn Campbell' (lining up captions, that sort of thing), a couple of re-takes, and three (count 'em!) different takes of a Showaddywaddy song!
I'd be very interested to know if any other little oddities like this have survived on the end of old BBC tapes.
And I'd love to know what 'Search: Pop' was, and whether it still exists!
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Post by Andy Henderson on Oct 13, 2003 19:47:07 GMT
"the 1967 Vanity Fair production (a bit of the end exists after the BP ends - although the whole thing exists on NTSC, this is the only PAL footage). "
So is part 3 a PAL recording, or simply an NTSC conversion (as I had thought). The only material I've seen was NTSC.
Either way, just like the 1935 Becky Sharp, this production was almost lost!!! (History repeats).
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Post by Steve Roberts on Oct 14, 2003 10:06:24 GMT
Not always were the tapes erased first. There are instances of Blue Peter episodes being recorded over episodes of Doctor Who (completely) I think you're making a bit of a leap there, Laurence! What evidence is there to suggest that the Doctor Who episode wasn't bulk-erased before the tape was re-used? Regarding other bits and pieces, a black and white recording of the Goodies episode 'Come Dancing' was recovered - previously it only existed as a film recording. Two bits of studio recording from the Blake's 7 episodes 'Gold' and 'Orac' were found on the end of recordings of a Liberal party conference. It became policy to check the tapes to the end during the quad transfer programme, so hopefully all this sort of material survives onto the digital video copies. Steve |
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Post by Steve Roberts on Oct 14, 2003 10:11:32 GMT
OK... so how come when I typed the name of that camp old seventies TV series known colloquially as 'B 7', did it appear in my post as "That superb series starring Paul Darrow"  ? Do we really need that sort of rubbish going on here? It seriously misrepresents the view of the poster in this case. If you want people to post here, then please stop pissing about with what we're writing. Steve |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 14, 2003 13:38:07 GMT
I jumped subjects a bit, Steve! I was only referring to the bit of PAL Vanity Fair (6 mins or so, wasn't it, according to Kal guide?) that had been left on the tape before being recorded over. No doubt there were other shows where this happened too. As far as 'Who was concerned, I have no idea if the tapes were erased first or not (only that 'Who was recorded over per se). Sorry for confusion.
P.S. Were both of the above posts really by Steve Roberts and what on earth was the second one about??!?
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Post by Ian Woodhouse on Oct 14, 2003 15:01:50 GMT
[quote author=Guest-Laurence Piper
P.S. Were both of the above posts really by Steve Roberts and what on earth was the second one about??!?[/quote]
I think if you saw the post earlier in the day, the bit where Steve mentions "Blake's 7" in his first post had mysteriously been edited by A N Other to read "That superb series starring Paul Darrow". It's obviously been amended now.
I must admit, it was no wonder Steve was pissed off...
Best,
Ian
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Post by Mark Brown on Oct 14, 2003 15:31:16 GMT
This board has a swear filter which automatically replaces banned words with a similar word, somehow or other Blake's 7 had found it's way on to the banned words list.
I only found out about the filter when it Wouldn`t let Dick Fiddy use his own name, it kept calling him "Thingy".
I`m gonna see if i can turn this feature off, i`m getting sick of it now.
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Post by William Martin on Oct 14, 2003 15:38:33 GMT
dear mr moderator,
just how does the search facility work on the members board, does it search whole postings or just the headings and is it case sensitive?
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Post by William Martin on Oct 14, 2003 15:46:07 GMT
taking standard program lengths how much is likley to survive at the ends of VTs
eg a 25 min over a 30 min both standard lengths leaving the 5 mins that was not worth bothering about
how much would they be prepared to leave at the end of a tape could it happen that a 40 min tape would be rubbed over with a 30 min program leaving the last 10 mins untouched or would this be seen as wasting tape?
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Post by dubs on Oct 14, 2003 22:22:32 GMT
Hi William,
Wish I knew how long open-reel VTs lasted for but I don't at the moment.
If we surmise they may have lasted 30m then I doubt there would be much left after a 25m show had been recorded over it, as I suspect that the VT engineers would have left a longer "lead-in" with black/bars & tone/clock to settle the new recording before.
Just my theory though - of course a short programme could have recorded over a longer tape, leaving more of the original recording "peeled off" at the end.
(This sounds like the OOTO tape for one).
Sure someone will fill us in!
Regards
S.
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