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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 28, 2016 23:31:31 GMT
Very True one episode of The Tenth Planet had its sound replaced by an audio recording
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Oct 15, 2017 19:44:26 GMT
I'm interested to find out which broadcasts in my local area would be useful (if at all). I live in the state of Vermont.
I think it may have been possible that people in my state, particularly in the north, could've seen TV Ontario thanks to the Hawkesbury transmitter. I know that TV Ontario had broadcasted stories such as Curse of Peladon and Claws of Axos in the 70s.
In the southern portion of my state they may have seen broadcasts from WGBH and WGBX. Both of which showed Pertwee stories in the 70s as well.
Then there are the various PBS stations from Vermont, New Hampshire, Plattsburgh, Syracuse, and Albany. These broadcasted stories in the 1980s from the Pertwee era.
Would anyone know if any of these 1980s broadcasts could be useful if they had been recorded? I would think that only the 1970s broadcasts from TV Ontario and Boston could possibly be useful if I were to find them.
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Oct 16, 2017 0:57:33 GMT
I'm interested to find out which broadcasts in my local area would be useful (if at all). I live in the state of Vermont. I think it may have been possible that people in my state, particularly in the north, could've seen TV Ontario thanks to the Hawkesbury transmitter. I know that TV Ontario had broadcasted stories such as Curse of Peladon and Claws of Axos in the 70s. In the southern portion of my state they may have seen broadcasts from WGBH and WGBX. Both of which showed Pertwee stories in the 70s as well. Then there are the various PBS stations from Vermont, New Hampshire, Plattsburgh, Syracuse, and Albany. These broadcasted stories in the 1980s from the Pertwee era. Would anyone know if any of these 1980s broadcasts could be useful if they had been recorded? I would think that only the 1970s broadcasts from TV Ontario and Boston could possibly be useful if I were to find them. At this point (and please correct me if my understanding is wrong), what we're looking for is: 1) A better-quality version of Ambassadors of Death; 2) Anything from Mind of Evil other than the first few minutes of the sixth episode. TV Ontario did not air either of these, so they would not be of any help in terms of finding lost recordings. BroaDWcast has a list of known airings of Mind of Evil in color in the United States- from that list, it seems the only chance would be someone recording WGBH in June and July of 1976. As for the others listed: It appears that all of them started airing Who with the Tom Baker episodes, and, while they did air Pertwees, the Pertwees in question were the ones repacked in the 1980s based on what was left- the last known broadcast of Mind of Evil in the United States in color seems to have been in 1978 (and that was on the QUBE system, which aired them as a pay-per-view program), and I suspect Ambassadors of Death last aired at a similar time. Overall, then: I wouldn't give up all hope (as there have been quite a few American broadcasts from the mid-1970s that survive due to home recordings), but the odds are slim, and to find anything lost (which is a rather large amount in the United States as well once you look at anything other than prime-time programming) you'd need to systematically dub any vintage tape recordings you can find. EDIT: Realized that I forgot about Planet of the Daleks and Invasion of the Dinosaurs- but neither of those ever aired completely in color in either the United States or Canada, so it would be a moot point anyway.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Oct 16, 2017 2:58:43 GMT
At this point (and please correct me if my understanding is wrong), what we're looking for is: 1) A better-quality version of Ambassadors of Death; 2) Anything from Mind of Evil other than the first few minutes of the sixth episode. TV Ontario did not air either of these, so they would not be of any help in terms of finding lost recordings. BroaDWcast has a list of known airings of Mind of Evil in color in the United States- from that list, it seems the only chance would be someone recording WGBH in June and July of 1976. As for the others listed: It appears that all of them started airing Who with the Tom Baker episodes, and, while they did air Pertwees, the Pertwees in question were the ones repacked in the 1980s based on what was left- the last known broadcast of Mind of Evil in the United States in color seems to have been in 1978 (and that was on the QUBE system, which aired them as a pay-per-view program), and I suspect Ambassadors of Death last aired at a similar time. Overall, then: I wouldn't give up all hope (as there have been quite a few American broadcasts from the mid-1970s that survive due to home recordings), but the odds are slim, and to find anything lost (which is a rather large amount in the United States as well once you look at anything other than prime-time programming) you'd need to systematically dub any vintage tape recordings you can find. EDIT: Realized that I forgot about Planet of the Daleks and Invasion of the Dinosaurs- but neither of those ever aired completely in color in either the United States or Canada, so it would be a moot point anyway. When I inquired about this back in December I was informed that Ambassadors of Death and Mind of Evil would be the ideal finds, but anything would be useful. I didn't think at the time to ask what "Anything" meant. I'm under the assumption that "Anything" would be any episode that does not have its Original 2" PAL Master tape. I should probably clarify this at some point so I don't go bananas over finding a copy of Colony in Space only to find out it wouldn't make the RS Conversion any better. I was concerned mostly with those 80s airings. I didn't know what those exactly were. I think a good rule of thumb for my area is that if I find anything from Boston or Ontario, I'll just pass the word on to the Restoration Team.
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Post by lousingh on Oct 17, 2017 0:59:41 GMT
Three things:
I spoke with some old DW fans I know from around here (Buffalo, NY). Everyone seems to remember "The Mind of Evil" being run more than twice; one person claims to have seen it four times. (Then again, when I knew him back when DW was running, he was experimenting with alternate forms of reality, so maybe he's incorrect.)
Could someone tell me the exact condition of the the base copy of "The Ambassadors of Death" was in when the BBC got it. I just saw a version that someone got online and it has WAY less colour than mine has. Granted that mine is not in great shape and that the BBC have done a nice job with it, but I think that I can get at least two generations back from my copy (all Beta, which frankly holds up better after duplication) if I try.
If you are looking in Ontario, ask the guy who showed that ultra-pristine copy of "Terror of the Autons" at several cons in the 1980s. We are talking broadcast quality here. (He an a couple of his buddies are alleged to have split the NTSC copies of "The Mind of Evil" that were supposed to make it to a BBC office in Toronto in 1985.)
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Oct 17, 2017 18:07:54 GMT
Chroma dot colour recovery produces a lot of PAL quadrant errors: so a decent quality VHS or Betamax recording would most likely be superior.
The film print of "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" part 1 had insufficient frequency bandwidth for PAL quadrant detection: so the colour recovery was missing 75% of the colour spectrum. Some of the missing blues were painted in manually; but this episode would benefit most from a colour VHS/Betamax discovery.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Oct 18, 2017 14:45:46 GMT
Shame IOTD1 didn't have the same attention to detail as POTD3 had as the latter actually won an award for best restoration of a TV programme on DVD that year! The flickering colour recovery of IOTD1 is a let down-maybe the poor realization of the dinosaurs still hangs heavy with the BBC? IIRC POTD3 was commissioned at a time when the pound was particularly strong against the dollar and therefore an expensive process (ground up colorization) was more affordable than when the time came to work on IOTD1. Of course these days the idea that the pound could ever be strong against the dollar seems a pipe dream...
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 18, 2017 23:23:28 GMT
The pound seems pretty strong to me when ever I order something from the USA
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Post by Richard Tipple on Oct 19, 2017 10:30:30 GMT
Very True one episode of The Tenth Planet had its sound replaced by an audio recording It was episode 2.
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Post by RWels on Oct 19, 2017 14:06:14 GMT
Very True one episode of The Tenth Planet had its sound replaced by an audio recording By the way what I originally meant was that home recordings definitely do play a part, because all missing episodes exist as audio home recordings and that also counts. But I know of some non-who examples where an off air audio was decidedly superior to the optical sound track on the 16mm film.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Dec 22, 2017 6:38:18 GMT
Chicago is a good option for The Silurian's except why hack out the opening and closing credits of The Silurian's while leaving intact the credits on Terror of the Autons? I believe the Chicago tapes all came from a guy named Tom Lundie who recorded them on Betamax from WTTW/Channel 11. Without talking to the source, the best suggestion regarding why some episodes have opens/closes and others don't -- with a 7 parter like Silurians there may have been an attempt to squeeze another episode onto the tape. That having been said, WTTW is an interesting case. There was a period when they were running single episodes on weeknights and full stories on the weekends. Their masters had to have been a hodgepodge also: My first DW collection was from a friend who taped it in the 80s and some of the "movie" versions were obviously cobbled together for broadcast with rough edits around the cliffhangers and the early Tom Bakers had the Howard Da Silva narration. Oh, and the Max Headroom incident also. I should see if I still have those tapes, if only for the continuity and pledge drives. I can still remember most of the particularly cheesy voiceover for Invasion of Time: "There once was a man named Who, who knew just what to do. He'll tell the bad Vardans to tend their own gardens, and he'll chastise the Sontarans, too."
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 23, 2017 1:09:08 GMT
I still have a lot of those tapes from the 1st run syndication era granted they are now redundant thanks to the excellent DVD release. I can say based on my own experience back then cutting the credits out of a 7 parter to save video tape time was a very reasonable idea at the time considering the cost of Betamax and VHS tapes. Inferno which came from WNED 17 in Buffalo was obviously recorded from another source.
Fortunately they are all redundant now. Granted I would love a DVD Special edition of The Silurians and Colony in Space to make them look as good as "Inferno" and "The Claws of Axos"
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Post by Logan Jutanberg on Dec 23, 2017 17:43:09 GMT
Chicago is a good option for The Silurian's except why hack out the opening and closing credits of The Silurian's while leaving intact the credits on Terror of the Autons? I believe the Chicago tapes all came from a guy named Tom Lundie who recorded them on Betamax from WTTW/Channel 11. Without talking to the source, the best suggestion regarding why some episodes have opens/closes and others don't -- with a 7 parter like Silurians there may have been an attempt to squeeze another episode onto the tape. That having been said, WTTW is an interesting case. There was a period when they were running single episodes on weeknights and full stories on the weekends. Their masters had to have been a hodgepodge also: My first DW collection was from a friend who taped it in the 80s and some of the "movie" versions were obviously cobbled together for broadcast with rough edits around the cliffhangers and the early Tom Bakers had the Howard Da Silva narration. Oh, and the Max Headroom incident also. I should see if I still have those tapes, if only for the continuity and pledge drives. I can still remember most of the particularly cheesy voiceover for Invasion of Time: "There once was a man named Who, who knew just what to do. He'll tell the bad Vardans to tend their own gardens, and he'll chastise the Sontarans, too." Some of those Da Silva episodes are missing. Might be worth a check!
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Post by markperry on Mar 7, 2022 4:08:55 GMT
(Unrelated to my Ambassadors Of Death query)
was Inferno recorded as an off-air by Tom Lundy but it had much worse rainbowing. No I don't need a copy as the Canadian quad returns solved that, only that it was mentioned on the old Restoration Team forum that a taping exists but I never wrote down any info that was mentioned.
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Post by Robert Lia on Mar 8, 2022 7:19:31 GMT
I had a copy of the 7-part version of "Inferno" from a US PBS station. I had no idea which station it broadcast from as were no station ID's on the end of any of the episodes nor were there any voice over during the closing credits. But I can defiantly say that it did not have any rain box patterning at all. It was highly watchable. Even if it was a 3rd generation Betamax or VHS recording.
Before you ask, I junked that recording when I got an off-air recording off all 7 episodes when there premiered on WHYY 12 Wilmington-Philadelphia back in 1985.
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