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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 23, 2016 0:05:08 GMT
If VHS recordings of color Pertwee episodes were found, would they be beneficial in anyway? Either for color correction, restoration, etc? I'm thinking mainly Dinosaurs 1, but didn't know if anything else would benefit from a recovery.
If they would, my next question would be if American recordings on VHS would help in any way.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 23, 2016 0:33:42 GMT
I am sure they would be no different from the Sony Betamax and VHS recordings of The Silurians, Ambassadors of Death, Inferno, Terror of the Autons, Claws of Axos, Colony in Space and The Daemons.
If they ever get around to doing DVD specials of The Silurians, Terror of the Autons and The Daemons perhaps they could mix the NTSC color in with the color restoration.
Invasion of the Dinosaurs was never sold to the USA or Canada so unless some one at the BBC in 1974 made an NTSC 2 Quad transfer and has it hidden away were out of luck on that one
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Dec 23, 2016 0:35:12 GMT
If VHS recordings of color Pertwee episodes were found, would they be beneficial in anyway? Either for color correction, restoration, etc? I'm thinking mainly Dinosaurs 1, but didn't know if anything else would benefit from a recovery. If they would, my next question would be if American recordings on VHS would help in any way. Mark, Without doubt we would still like to find more off-air recordings of the Pertwee's. Colour recovery will still be useful in the future, but it has its limitations. VHS? Sure. We can do a lot with VHS. Paul
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 23, 2016 1:37:28 GMT
Well had this question been asked in the past (say 25 years ago) I might have saved my NTSC 1970's recordings (not off airs but I had copies) of every Jon Pertwee story from The Silurians to The Time Monster in VHS NTSC as they were making the rounds in the early 80's. A notable exception was The Mind of Evil. which no one had till a camera copy showed up around 1983.
When you factor in the NTSC episodes broadcast by TV Ontario in Canada we had proper NTSC copies of every Jon Pertwee story except Spearhead from Space which was a camera copy from ABC in Australia, Mind of Evil was a 16mm camera copy), Planet of the Daleks was 5 episodes in color and one in black and white, also a camera copy. Carnival of Monster's and Frontier in Space were camera copies also from an ABC broadcast and Invasion of the Dinosaurs was a camera copy from the BBC.
NTSC video wise The Silurians was missing the opening and closing credits on each episode, Ambassadors of Death had the bad reception during the winter of 1977 that effect the recording. Terror of the Autons from WTTV 11 Chicago from March 1977 was complete. The Claws of Axos was a semi omnibus recording with partial opening and closing credits left intact by the TV station. Colony in Space was complete. The Daemons was an omnibus recording from KCET in Los Angeles. Day of the Daleks was complete as were The Curse of Peladon, The Sea Devils, The Mutants and The Time Monster.
To this day I have never been able to figure out where the original 1970's recordings of The Silurians, Inferno, Claws of Axos, Colony in Space, Day of the Daleks, Curse of Peladon, Sea Devils, The Mutants and The Time Monster originated from Time Life Television wise.
By 1983 We had VHS high quality episodic recordings from TV Ontario of The Claws of Axos, Day of the Daleks, and The Time Monster so the original time life VHS / Betamax copies of those episodes were junked by many fans in favor of the better quality TV Ontario recordings
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Post by jayglover on Dec 23, 2016 15:43:17 GMT
Yes, I do love all the colour restorations on the DVD and I love especially the work on the Silurians dvd but I think that the 'Invasion' colour restoration is a big let down as I can see the colour but with a black and white image under it
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 23, 2016 18:42:05 GMT
Yes, I do love all the colour restorations on the DVD and I love especially the work on the Silurians dvd but I think that the 'Invasion' colour restoration is a big let down as I can see the colour but with a black and white image under it There were a lot of limitations in what could be done, they did a very good job considering it all.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 23, 2016 20:57:38 GMT
Yes, I do love all the colour restorations on the DVD and I love especially the work on the Silurians dvd but I think that the 'Invasion' colour restoration is a big let down as I can see the colour but with a black and white image under it There were a lot of limitations in what could be done, they did a very good job considering it all. IotD1 is straight colour recovery from the chroma dots, effectively the same as five of the episodes of MoE - but the information on the latter prints was better. There are several other variations, PotD3 was a merging of colour recovery and a recolourised version. Then there are episodes where NTSC - never twice the same colour ! - colour information was combined with a B&W telerecording.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Dec 26, 2016 20:57:57 GMT
Shame IOTD1 didn't have the same attention to detail as POTD3 had as the latter actually won an award for best restoration of a TV programme on DVD that year!The flickering colour recovery of IOTD1 is a let down-maybe the poor realization of the dinosaurs still hangs heavy with the BBC?Remember this story was the last release of a complete story on VHS,an event which DWM said that the BBC had 'dredged up'.It seems like false economics though.Like in the building trade it's better to get it absolutely right now otherwise it will become more expensive later on to re-do it!I absolutely love Invasion of the Dinosaurs by the way.
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Post by George D on Dec 26, 2016 21:14:43 GMT
The copies that were making the rounds, (which I have also) probably have very little value as the BBC has a higher generation on these closer to the source.. However original off air recordings or from a different source, would be very much of value. This is one of the reason Im hoping to have my tape collection transferred properly they can be perserved and shared. Well had this question been asked in the past (say 25 years ago) I might have saved my NTSC 1970's recordings (not off airs but I had copies) of every Jon Pertwee story from The Silurians to The Time Monster in VHS NTSC as they were making the rounds in the early 80's. A notable exception was The Mind of Evil. which no one had till a camera copy showed up around 1983. When you factor in the NTSC episodes broadcast by TV Ontario in Canada we had proper NTSC copies of every Jon Pertwee story except Spearhead from Space which was a camera copy from ABC in Australia, Mind of Evil was a 16mm camera copy), Planet of the Daleks was 5 episodes in color and one in black and white, also a camera copy. Carnival of Monster's and Frontier in Space were camera copies also from an ABC broadcast and Invasion of the Dinosaurs was a camera copy from the BBC. NTSC video wise The Silurians was missing the opening and closing credits on each episode, Ambassadors of Death had the bad reception during the winter of 1977 that effect the recording. Terror of the Autons from WTTV 11 Chicago from March 1977 was complete. The Claws of Axos was a semi omnibus recording with partial opening and closing credits left intact by the TV station. Colony in Space was complete. The Daemons was an omnibus recording from KCET in Los Angeles. Day of the Daleks was complete as were The Curse of Peladon, The Sea Devils, The Mutants and The Time Monster. To this day I have never been able to figure out where the original 1970's recordings of The Silurians, Inferno, Claws of Axos, Colony in Space, Day of the Daleks, Curse of Peladon, Sea Devils, The Mutants and The Time Monster originated from Time Life Television wise. By 1983 We had VHS high quality episodic recordings from TV Ontario of The Claws of Axos, Day of the Daleks, and The Time Monster so the original time life VHS / Betamax copies of those episodes were junked by many fans in favor of the better quality TV Ontario recordings
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 26, 2016 23:50:08 GMT
It will perhaps always be a mystery to where the original recordings of The Siurians, Colony in Space, The Cure of Pealson, The Sea Devils and The Mutants came from as they had no TV station IDs on any of them. . .
As for getting your tapes transfer to DVD . You can either pay some one to copy them to DVD for you or you can do it your self. The longer you wait the greater the chance of something you have on VHS being lost to time. I did all my transferring of Betamax recordings between 2004-2006 and my VHS collection I finished earlier this year
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Post by ianphillips on Dec 27, 2016 1:24:33 GMT
It will perhaps always be a mystery to where the original recordings of The Siurians, Colony in Space, The Cure of Pealson, The Sea Devils and The Mutants came from as they had no TV station IDs on any of them. . . A time traveller
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Post by lousingh on Dec 27, 2016 15:07:58 GMT
It will perhaps always be a mystery to where the original recordings of The Siurians, Colony in Space, The Cure of Pealson, The Sea Devils and The Mutants came from as they had no TV station IDs on any of them. . . As for getting your tapes transfer to DVD . You can either pay some one to copy them to DVD for you or you can do it your self. The longer you wait the greater the chance of something you have on VHS being lost to time. I did all my transferring of Betamax recordings between 2004-2006 and my VHS collection I finished earlier this year According to the people who gave them to me back in the day: The Curse of Peladon came from Florida. Doctor Who and the Silurians came from Chicago. Colony in Space apparently from somewhere in Canada.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 28, 2016 0:06:32 GMT
its one fandoms mystery's that perhaps no one will ever find out. Colony in Space could have come from CKVU in Vancouver British Columbia except CKVU was a commercial TV station and I don't remember Colony in Space being edited on my copies for commercial's. Having had Tom Baker episodes with commercials I would have remembered that.
Chicago is a good option for The Silurian's except why hack out the opening and closing credits of The Silurian's while leaving intact the credits on Terror of the Autons?
Ambassadors of Death from WNED in Buffalo, New York had its credits intact as did Inferno. So the only Pertwees shows that had been slightly edited was Claws of Axos which the TV station did weird things to the closing credits (after episode one it ran the cast credits then faded directly to the episode 2 caption. They later faded direct to the episode 3 caption with out running the cast credits a second time and so on
The Daemons was an omnibus recording that I remember watching at the time of transmission in Los Angeles in 1976
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Post by George D on Dec 28, 2016 3:04:17 GMT
It's amazing that home recordings did play a part in the recovery of Dr who
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Post by RWels on Dec 28, 2016 9:21:03 GMT
It's amazing that home recordings did play a part in the recovery of Dr who Don't forget all the audio!
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