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Post by A Barron on Jan 23, 2021 16:50:17 GMT
I have already made contact with the school, if anything happens I shall let you all know. Please no one else try to contact them, we do not want to swamp them. So, have you got any answer? I don't believe the school would have any relevant information, but I still wonder if and how they replied? At the moment they are a bit hampered with lock down but so far it is not looking good. They have confirmed that all those who would have known anything are dead and the few that are still working at the school since then know nothing. I am still following up a few leads and I have a few theories of what might have happened but want to see if I can confirm anything for definite first. Once again, please no body try to contact anyone related to the school as the relationship is rather fragile at the moment.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 23, 2021 22:10:27 GMT
Are we talking about the school showing of The Macra Terror?
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Post by A Barron on Jan 23, 2021 22:27:39 GMT
Are we talking about the school showing of The Macra Terror? No, Dave Crichton is investigating that and as he has asked, I am not looking into that. I am looking into reports that The Power of the Daleks was shown in a school in Singapore. I have already contacted the school as well as others and I ask that one one else attempts to do so as the not flood these people and scare them away, they already know me.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 24, 2021 12:38:14 GMT
Are we talking about the school showing of The Macra Terror? No, Dave Crichton is investigating that and as he has asked, I am not looking into that. I am looking into reports that The Power of the Daleks was shown in a school in Singapore. I have already contacted the school as well as others and I ask that one one else attempts to do so as the not flood these people and scare them away, they already know me. Perhaps you can also investigate if there is, or was, any sort of 16mm collecting in Singapore. It was British for a long time with a fair number of Brits there.
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Post by A Barron on Jan 24, 2021 13:16:50 GMT
No, Dave Crichton is investigating that and as he has asked, I am not looking into that. I am looking into reports that The Power of the Daleks was shown in a school in Singapore. I have already contacted the school as well as others and I ask that one one else attempts to do so as the not flood these people and scare them away, they already know me. Perhaps you can also investigate if there is, or was, any sort of 16mm collecting in Singapore. It was British for a long time with a fair number of Brits there. At the moment I have a lot of conflicting information and reports, that is certainly a possibility that I have not been able to discount yet, however I have no evidence that if there was a collection that it still exists now.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 24, 2021 13:30:23 GMT
Perhaps you can also investigate if there is, or was, any sort of 16mm collecting in Singapore. It was British for a long time with a fair number of Brits there. At the moment I have a lot of conflicting information and reports, that is certainly a possibility that I have not been able to discount yet, however I have no evidence that if there was a collection that it still exists now. I’m not talking about a “collection”, but a hobby as exists elsewhere in the world.
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Post by Lucy Wagner on Feb 28, 2021 0:42:42 GMT
So, just to bring some final closure to this story, what was the final outcome of your conversations with the school? I presume they couldn't really offer much information about the dubious claims of this PoD Screening, right?
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Post by A Barron on Feb 28, 2021 14:35:52 GMT
So, just to bring some final closure to this story, what was the final outcome of your conversations with the school? I presume they couldn't really offer much information about the dubious claims of this PoD Screening, right? Sadly no, most of the people who would have known anything are dead. I am still waiting on a reply from a couple of teachers but it is not looking very credible so far. I was able to track do the person who made the review on amazon and he claimed that he also saw other stories at the school in Singapore which we know for a fact was bicycled out nearly a decade early. I shall continue on this just to make sure every dead end is confirmed but realistically I would say there is really no hope of finding any episodes here. If however I find anything of interest, I shall update this thread otherwise we should forget this and focus our investigative efforts else where. As I said I am still waiting on a few people so please no one try to contact anyone or the school just in case they do actually know something but I doubt it.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Mar 13, 2021 21:40:48 GMT
Although the Singapore prints were cycled out ...it doesnt mean that the reported viewing was of the Singapore prints . 16mm Was the home cinema of its day ,teachers , particularly in former British territories travelled around the world . Prints were swapped and sold .around 5 years ago I was given a tea chest of 16mm film prints that had been sent from Burma to New Zealand when their owner moved here . There is TV product in the chest that by rights shouldnt be here but has been for nearly 50 years I was told that I couldn't possibly have located the Lion print as it was never sold to New Zealand ... Perceived wisdom and facts are not always reality . People moved all over the world in the 60s and 70s as much as they do today... This far out its a long shot ..but that's the beauty of it
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Post by John Wall on Mar 13, 2021 23:29:32 GMT
Although the Singapore prints were cycled out ...it doesnt mean that the reported viewing was of the Singapore prints . 16mm Was the home cinema of its day ,teachers , particularly in former British territories travelled around the world . Prints were swapped and sold .around 5 years ago I was given a tea chest of 16mm film prints that had been sent from Burma to New Zealand when their owner moved here . There is TV product in the chest that by rights shouldnt be here but has been for nearly 50 years I was told that I couldn't possibly have located the Lion print as it was never sold to New Zealand ... Perceived wisdom and facts are not always reality . People moved all over the world in the 60s and 70s as much as they do today... This far out its a long shot ..but that's the beauty of it That’s why I’ve asked about film collecting clubs, hobbyists, etc in places where MEs are known to have ended up and, supposedly, been destroyed. We know that 16mm prints were “liberated” from the destruction pile in London, could it have happened in Singapore, Hong Kong, etc? There has to be a reason for a light fingered Larry to half inch something like that and that’s because it’s of interest to them - i.e., they’re a 16mm collector, they know someone who’s a 16mm collector - friend or relative, or because they believe they can sell it at a film collectors fair, etc. Establishing the existence of 16mm collectors “circles” in places like Singapore, Hong Kong, etc could be fruitful.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 14, 2021 8:41:47 GMT
It’s not always an easy subject to broach, if you remember in a thread I raised some years back I described how a friend of ours remembers first hand watching presumably bootleg film copies of British TV programs being shown in South African homes & cinemas before TV was allowed there in the mid 70’s. He also confirmed there were thriving film rental shops rather like the later video shops at the time all over South Africa.
I speculated about how this had happened & one on the possibilities was that copies came over from Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) who had prints of UK TV programs in the 60’s and had a closer relationship with apartheid South Africa than most countries in the region at the time.
I made some enquires with a vintage cinema organisation in South Africa and it was made clear quite forcefully that as film collecting was associated with colonialism I wasn’t going to get anywhere. Further research would need boots on the ground and would have to be handled sensitively as it’s a very delicate subject politically.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 14, 2021 15:12:43 GMT
South Africa has been discussed before and it seems unlikely that any DW MEs were shown there.
However, there’s still the point that - other than odd cans - if you’re looking for 16mm prints a good place to start would be with people who collect them.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 14, 2021 17:56:07 GMT
South Africa has been discussed before and it seems unlikely that any DW MEs were shown there. However, there’s still the point that - other than odd cans - if you’re looking for 16mm prints a good place to start would be with people who collect them. For sure, there’s no evidence I’ve come across yet that Dr Who was ever shown in the cinema’s or made available to rent from the film shops in South Africa. If you remember though, in the previous thread I have a first hand eyewitness report from my friend of watching specific named BBC & ITV programs, back in the late 60’s & early 70’s this way. Taking this on board there is the strong possibility that currently missing episodes of some description could well have been copied & shown this way. If anything survives now is a moot point with film collection apparently being seen as a “colonial hobby” and not relevant in modern South Africa, at least by the guy I spoke to.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 14, 2021 18:46:21 GMT
South Africa has been discussed before and it seems unlikely that any DW MEs were shown there. However, there’s still the point that - other than odd cans - if you’re looking for 16mm prints a good place to start would be with people who collect them. For sure, there’s no evidence I’ve come across yet that Dr Who was ever shown in the cinema’s or made available to rent from the film shops in South Africa. If you remember though, in the previous thread I have a first hand eyewitness report from my friend of watching specific named BBC & ITV programs, back in the late 60’s & early 70’s this way. Taking this on board there is the strong possibility that currently missing episodes of some description could well have been copied & shown this way. If anything survives now is a moot point with film collection apparently being seen as a “colonial hobby” and not relevant in modern South Africa, at least by the guy I spoke to. There are other parts of the world besides South Africa! Places where DW was shown and where prints were supposed to have been destroyed.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 14, 2021 18:55:01 GMT
Indeed there are, sadly my knowledge is more limited about the other countries, I will have to leave that to others that know more.
My point was more about the problems of tracking down private film collectors in countries where the activity has been linked in peoples minds to a way of life limited to the former political or colonial elite and it may well have been driven underground as a result.
This could well apply to many of the countries on the official bicycling route of Dr Who 16mm prints and make finding film collectors, let alone recovering prints much more difficult.
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