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Post by ajsmith on Aug 11, 2016 13:57:53 GMT
Hi, the guitarist of the 1960s band Katch 22 (http://katch22sixtiesband.webs.com/) keeps editing the wikipedia entry for Colour Me Pop to state that his group appeared on Colour Me Pop on 18th May 1968.(you can see his latest revision here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_Me_Pop) This is a month before (according to all other records) Colour Me Pop began with the Manfred Mann edition on 14th June 1968. I suspect he may be confusing Colour Me Pop with an appearance on CMP's parent show, Late Night Line Up. I would like to resolve the issue of what this appearance was as I keep changing it back but he then re-edits the listing. Does anyone know if Katch 22 were indeed musical guests on Late Night Line-Up on 18/05/1968? Any help appreciated! |
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Post by johnpoole on Aug 11, 2016 18:44:42 GMT
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Post by John Green on Aug 11, 2016 19:09:13 GMT
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Post by ajsmith on Aug 12, 2016 9:01:59 GMT
Thanks. The guitarist (Mike Eastman) edited the CMP wiki to state that the show was broadcast on the 18th, so even though the listing of the content doesn't reflect this, this edition of Late Night Line Up does look the most likely candidate. Eastman in his references to this alleged appearance refers to it as 'Late Night Line Up: Colour Me Pop'. Is it possible Katch 22 were featured on the 18th May edition of LNLU in some sort of mini CMP slot that functioned as a trial run for the launch of the main show the month after? I will try to ask both Eastman and Steve Turner about this issue in the next few days. EDIT: have emailed them both. On a related note, does anyone have a complete listing of which music artists were showcased on Late Night Line Up outwith Colour Me Pop? |
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Post by markdixon on Aug 14, 2016 8:56:19 GMT
I haven't got a full list of musical performances from regular editions of “Late Night Line-Up”, but I’ve compiled a partial list using online sources:
08 Sep 1965: Donovan - “Universal Soldier”
16 Oct 1965: Julie Felix
22 Oct 1965: Tommy Makem and the Clancy Brothers
13 Jan 1966: Ivor Cutler
09 Jul 1966: Ivor Cutler
01 Dec 1966: Dave Brubeck
20 Dec 1966: Ravi Shankar (performing music from “Alice in Wonderland”)
19 Feb 1967: Duke Ellington
19 Apr 1967: Jimi Hendrix Experience - “Purple Haze”
17 May 1967: Jimi Hendrix Experience - “Manic Depression”
07 Dec 1967: Julie Felix
24 Jan 1968: Manfred Mann
14 Feb 1968: Cleo Laine, John Dankworth and the Richard Rodney Bennett Trio
22 Feb 1968: The Gentle Power of Song
01 Apr 1968: Tim Buckley - “Happy Time” and “Morning Glory”
02 Jun 1968: Cleo Laine, John Dankworth and the Richard Rodney Bennett Trio
09 Oct 1968: Buddy Rich
1968 or 1969: Taste
29 Jan 1969: Don Partridge
c. Apr 1969: Leviathan – “Remember The Times”
26 May 1969: Mothers of Invention - “King Kong”
22 Sep 1969: Deep Purple
16 Mar 1972: The Be-Bop Preservation Society (featuring Tubby Hayes)
30 Jun 1972: Cleo Laine
A couple of websites contain quotes from sound engineer John Wood and musical arranger Robert Kirkby which suggest that Nick Drake appeared on “Late Night Line-Up” in 1969. I don’t know if there’s any truth in these recollections. Presumably, the answer lies in records at the BBC Written Archives.
“Late Night Line-Up” also featured many features about musicians (e.g. Petula Clark, the Rolling Stones etc.) and interviews (e.g. Marianne Faithfull, Ringo Starr, Charles Mingus etc.)
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Post by Kev Hunter on Aug 14, 2016 10:14:30 GMT
Does anyone know the survival status of "Late Night Line-Up" editions? There was a nice partial clip of the band Leviathan performing "Remember The Times" (introduced by Joan Bakewell) from their appearance on the show, included in the 1969 documentary A Year In The Life which was rebroadcast in 1989 / 1990.
See that clip here:
Incidentally, other guests on that edition of "Late Night Line-Up" were Basil D'Oliveira, Benny Green and Michael Billington.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 12:13:59 GMT
There's an edition of Late Night Line-Up from 1966 which apparently features The Beatles' TOTP appearance from the night before ... I tried to find it through a scour through online sources, but no joy ...
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Post by markdixon on Aug 14, 2016 12:34:56 GMT
There's an partial episode guide on the "Late Night Line-Up" Wikipedia page which gives some indication of what survives from the series. I suspect that the bulk of the information comes from the BBC Infax database. However, details of the lost Katch 22 performance have been inserted into the list.
There were approximately 3,000 editions of "Late Night Line-Up" so what survives is a tiny fraction of what was broadcast.
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Post by ajsmith on Aug 15, 2016 13:12:57 GMT
Thanks for the replies everyone. Steve Turner says it wasn't a Colour Me Pop. Mike Eastman says the appearance was shown as 'video insert' and probably consisted of 2 songs.. apparently their album had just been released and the feature was to promote this. I think Occams razor would suggest that it was a Late Night Line Up feature... in fact the band's website support this with the comment 'The programme was transmitted on Saturday May 18th and was a prequel and 'test run' for the show that followed soon after, "Colour Me Pop "./
Does anyone know how musical guests on LNLU were usually presented? Would they often have musical guests for entertainment purposes only like on a variety show, or did there always have to be some kind of cultural/point of discussion reason a musical act was featured? Just wondering what the likelihood that the 18th May edition would have carried a 2 song video insert by a non chart pop act promoting their debut album.
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Post by johnpoole on Aug 15, 2016 19:29:13 GMT
Thanks for the replies everyone. Steve Turner says it wasn't a Colour Me Pop. Mike Eastman says the appearance was shown as 'video insert' and probably consisted of 2 songs.. apparently their album had just been released and the feature was to promote this. I think Occams razor would suggest that it was a Late Night Line Up feature, maybe Eastman remembers it as a Colour Me Pop as the forthcoming show was being discussed a lot at the time.. the early CMPs tended to be complete sets by one act only. Does anyone know how musical guests on LNLU were usually presented? Would they often have musical guests for entertainment purposes only like on a variety show, or did there always have to be some kind of cultural/point of discussion reason a musical act was featured? Just wondering what the likelihood that the 18th May edition would have carried a 2 song video insert by a non chart pop act promoting their debut album. It seems extremely unlikely to me that LNLU on 18th May (described as a "look at the film word" with film requests) would include two songs from Katch 22's LP in a 35 minutes broadcast. The most notable thing about the LP was that it was released on the Saga label and sold in W.H. Smith's, and Woolworths www.45worlds.com/vinyl/album/eros8047 |
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Post by ajsmith on Aug 15, 2016 19:46:37 GMT
Thanks for the replies everyone. Steve Turner says it wasn't a Colour Me Pop. Mike Eastman says the appearance was shown as 'video insert' and probably consisted of 2 songs.. apparently their album had just been released and the feature was to promote this. I think Occams razor would suggest that it was a Late Night Line Up feature, maybe Eastman remembers it as a Colour Me Pop as the forthcoming show was being discussed a lot at the time.. the early CMPs tended to be complete sets by one act only. Does anyone know how musical guests on LNLU were usually presented? Would they often have musical guests for entertainment purposes only like on a variety show, or did there always have to be some kind of cultural/point of discussion reason a musical act was featured? Just wondering what the likelihood that the 18th May edition would have carried a 2 song video insert by a non chart pop act promoting their debut album. It seems extremely unlikely to me that LNLU on 18th May (described as a "look at the film word" with film requests) would include two songs from Katch 22's LP in a 35 minutes broadcast. The most notable thing about the LP was that it was released on the Saga label and sold in W.H. Smith's, and Woolworths www.45worlds.com/vinyl/album/eros8047I just edited my last post to reflect the quote on the website about the feature being ' a prequel and 'test run' for the show that followed soon after, "Colour Me Pop "... which would seem possible to me if it was a dry run for the forthcoming spin off. I agree that that listing would leave little room for several songs by a band, but its always possible that the line up for this show was changed at the last minute, esp since the appearance was apparently recorded the night before. I have emailed Mike Eastman and he remembers the show going out and being recorded off air by a local club manager who was an early owner of a domestic video recorder, interesting. |
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Post by markdixon on Aug 21, 2016 20:22:44 GMT
Thanks for the replies everyone. Steve Turner says it wasn't a Colour Me Pop. Mike Eastman says the appearance was shown as 'video insert' and probably consisted of 2 songs.. apparently their album had just been released and the feature was to promote this. I think Occams razor would suggest that it was a Late Night Line Up feature... in fact the band's website support this with the comment 'The programme was transmitted on Saturday May 18th and was a prequel and 'test run' for the show that followed soon after, "Colour Me Pop "./ Does anyone know how musical guests on LNLU were usually presented? Would they often have musical guests for entertainment purposes only like on a variety show, or did there always have to be some kind of cultural/point of discussion reason a musical act was featured? Just wondering what the likelihood that the 18th May edition would have carried a 2 song video insert by a non chart pop act promoting their debut album. I did a bit of research into the ways that music was presented on ‘Late Night Line-Up”. It was certainly the case that musical performances were sometimes linked to cultural discussions. For example, Charles Lewson performed some Victorian Music Hall songs on the show in September 1967 and he interspersed the songs with short comments on their meaning and significance. I suspect this approach was sometimes adopted when performers from other musical traditions (such as folk, calypso and flamenco) were featured on the programme. ‘Late Night Line-Up” was concerned with cultural trends so it often showcased critically acclaimed pop/rock groups such as Julie Driscoll, Brian Auger and the Trinity. However, it also featured bands who weren’t well-known and who weren’t seen as being particularly culturally significant (e.g. Leviathan). Musical performances were often used as a pleasant diversion or as a convenient way to wrap up a show. It’s worth mentioning how important the introduction of colour to BBC2 in 1967 was to “Late Night Line-Up” (although most viewers with access to the channel would have still have been watching in black and white). The “Late Night Line-Up” team seemed to take great pleasure in showing colour clips from programmes that had been shown in black and white on BBC1 earlier in the week. For example, an edition in March 1968 presented colourful clips from a puppet version of Stravinsky’s “Petrushka” which had been featured in monochrome in the BBC1 schools programme “Making Music”. Pop/rock groups were perfect for colour editions of “Late Night Line-Up” because they gave the directors the opportunity to experiment with visual effects. Katch 22 may not have recorded for a prestigious label, but their album had a nice psychedelic sleeve and maybe that helped them secure a spot on the programme. I get the impression that the number of film inserts used in “Late Night Line-Up” increased when the programme switched to colour. Some of these film inserts were from non-BBC sources. For example, the promo film for the Beatles “Hello Goodbye” was due to be shown in colour on 23 November 1967 (but may have been pulled due to a Musicians’ Union ban on miming) and a colour clip of the Jimi Hendrix Experience performing “Wild Thing” was apparently shown on 6 December 1967. The Hendrix clip was directed by Peter Neal and it later appeared in his film “Experience”. There were also a number of themed editions of “Late Night Line-Up” which were made partly or completely on film. For example, on 14 February 1968, there was a Valentine’s Day special which used film clips to illustrate poems performed by Roger McGough and Brian Patten. I wouldn’t be surprised if that edition featured some musical content as well. Another themed edition of the programme premiered tracks from the Beatles “Abbey Road” album. This episode was broadcast on 26 September 1969 and it seems that the songs were accompanied by a mixture of animation, studio sequences featuring dancers, and possibly some 16mm footage showing the Beatles at Tittenhurst Park during their final photo shoot. |
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Post by John Green on Aug 21, 2016 20:42:31 GMT
Impressive,Mark.
Tragically,all I can remember of music and Late Night Line-Up is Joan Bakewell referring to 'Regay' (music),with the 'g' pronounced as in Reg.
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Post by ajsmith on Aug 23, 2016 14:18:00 GMT
Thanks for the replies everyone. Steve Turner says it wasn't a Colour Me Pop. Mike Eastman says the appearance was shown as 'video insert' and probably consisted of 2 songs.. apparently their album had just been released and the feature was to promote this. I think Occams razor would suggest that it was a Late Night Line Up feature... in fact the band's website support this with the comment 'The programme was transmitted on Saturday May 18th and was a prequel and 'test run' for the show that followed soon after, "Colour Me Pop "./ Does anyone know how musical guests on LNLU were usually presented? Would they often have musical guests for entertainment purposes only like on a variety show, or did there always have to be some kind of cultural/point of discussion reason a musical act was featured? Just wondering what the likelihood that the 18th May edition would have carried a 2 song video insert by a non chart pop act promoting their debut album. I did a bit of research into the ways that music was presented on ‘Late Night Line-Up”. It was certainly the case that musical performances were sometimes linked to cultural discussions. For example, Charles Lewson performed some Victorian Music Hall songs on the show in September 1967 and he interspersed the songs with short comments on their meaning and significance. I suspect this approach was sometimes adopted when performers from other musical traditions (such as folk, calypso and flamenco) were featured on the programme. ‘Late Night Line-Up” was concerned with cultural trends so it often showcased critically acclaimed pop/rock groups such as Julie Driscoll, Brian Auger and the Trinity. However, it also featured bands who weren’t well-known and who weren’t seen as being particularly culturally significant (e.g. Leviathan). Musical performances were often used as a pleasant diversion or as a convenient way to wrap up a show. It’s worth mentioning how important the introduction of colour to BBC2 in 1967 was to “Late Night Line-Up” (although most viewers with access to the channel would have still have been watching in black and white). The “Late Night Line-Up” team seemed to take great pleasure in showing colour clips from programmes that had been shown in black and white on BBC1 earlier in the week. For example, an edition in March 1968 presented colourful clips from a puppet version of Stravinsky’s “Petrushka” which had been featured in monochrome in the BBC1 schools programme “Making Music”. Pop/rock groups were perfect for colour editions of “Late Night Line-Up” because they gave the directors the opportunity to experiment with visual effects. Katch 22 may not have recorded for a prestigious label, but their album had a nice psychedelic sleeve and maybe that helped them secure a spot on the programme. I get the impression that the number of film inserts used in “Late Night Line-Up” increased when the programme switched to colour. Some of these film inserts were from non-BBC sources. For example, the promo film for the Beatles “Hello Goodbye” was due to be shown in colour on 23 November 1967 (but may have been pulled due to a Musicians’ Union ban on miming) and a colour clip of the Jimi Hendrix Experience performing “Wild Thing” was apparently shown on 6 December 1967. The Hendrix clip was directed by Peter Neal and it later appeared in his film “Experience”. There were also a number of themed editions of “Late Night Line-Up” which were made partly or completely on film. For example, on 14 February 1968, there was a Valentine’s Day special which used film clips to illustrate poems performed by Roger McGough and Brian Patten. I wouldn’t be surprised if that edition featured some musical content as well. Another themed edition of the programme premiered tracks from the Beatles “Abbey Road” album. This episode was broadcast on 26 September 1969 and it seems that the songs were accompanied by a mixture of animation, studio sequences featuring dancers, and possibly some 16mm footage showing the Beatles at Tittenhurst Park during their final photo shoot. Thanks Mark! Great insight. |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Aug 24, 2016 9:49:06 GMT
There were also a number of themed editions of “Late Night Line-Up” which were made partly or completely on film. For example, on 14 February 1968, there was a Valentine’s Day special which used film clips to illustrate poems performed by Roger McGough and Brian Patten. I wouldn’t be surprised if that edition featured some musical content as well. Another themed edition of the programme premiered tracks from the Beatles “Abbey Road” album. This episode was broadcast on 26 September 1969 and it seems that the songs were accompanied by a mixture of animation, studio sequences featuring dancers, and possibly some 16mm footage showing the Beatles at Tittenhurst Park during their final photo shoot. Thanks Mark! Great insight. The previous edition 13/5/68 from The Brighton Festival is also known to exist in colour |
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