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Post by Nigel Lamb on Apr 10, 2015 12:39:33 GMT
Some interesting footage of eric etc here at the SWFTA/ BFI
Westward News InsertsSouth West Film & Television Archive
Date: 1976
Source: South West Film & Television Archive
Description: Actors Eric Sykes, Hattie Jacques and Derek Guyler have posed for photographers and fans....
Original Format: 16mm
Sound: Silent
Colour: Colour
Duration: 00:45
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 23:30:55 GMT
Nigel is it possible for you to post a link to this, as it doesn't seem to be listed at the bfi, swfta, or the swftatube site, so it's curious as to where you located this..
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Apr 10, 2015 23:41:13 GMT
Post by Nigel Lamb on Apr 10, 2015 23:41:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 23:57:06 GMT
thanks Nigel if you click on the title Westward News Inserts, it takes us to another page which says transmitted 21 June 1976, copyright at bottom 2015, so perhaps this is a very recently catalogued item, if so, then a very nice Spot, Nigel and perhaps why it is not listed yet at bfi..
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 15, 2021 2:29:22 GMT
Following up from speculation in earlier posts here in 2006 and 2009; the "Eric Sykes Show" held that CBC in Canada broadcast on September 18, 1962, is an episode of "Sykes and a..." (according to the September 18, 1962 Globe and Mail). It's the first episode of the second season "Sykes and a Movie Camera" on a 16-mm film print. This was broadcast by BBC on August 11, 1960, If the film is correctly indexed, this would be the oldest surviving "Sykes and a..." episode. The listing is at www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/film-video-sound-database/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=111110It's part of the Canadian Broadcasting Collection in the archives, and was transferred there along with most of CBC's film library from Toronto in 1986. In 1984 the archives had made a copy of the film print on 2-inch video, which has subsequently been copied to viewing copies on VHS, and more recently to MXF and MP4 formats according to www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/film-video-sound-database/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=294652It's not a big secret, Ade Gregg first noted it in the thread here in 2006, and I asked if it had been identified in 2009. In 2014 I finally looked up the TV listings for that day and talked to Paul Vanezis about it, and we both talked to BBC Archives in 2014 and 2018. The latest word from them in 2018 was that "... we would not take any action in this case: it’s in an archival institution, catalogued, discoverable and accessible so we wouldn’t deem it at risk or “lost”. We consider information about and offers of recordings of broadcasts we don’t hold, but we don’t aspire to obtain copies of everything we don’t have." I wonder what else the BBC deems not lost? Judging by the number of viewing copies made over the years, the episode is well known to some. Attachments:
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 15, 2021 2:45:10 GMT
Firstly. WONDERFUL FIND!I've looked in Archives Canada a lot and I missed this. (I know why, too narrow on my searches). The thing is, a number of broadcasters and/or copyright holders don't want (some/all) material back. (That's probably a discussion point for another thread....)This is brilliant news!
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Post by Matthew Brannigan on Feb 15, 2021 5:11:39 GMT
Oh, gosh - wonderful news! Many thanks Ray!
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Feb 15, 2021 8:35:50 GMT
The thing is, a number of broadcasters and/or copyright holders don't want (some/all) material back. As Nicholas mentioned, this was followed up in detail with the BBC Archive and they noted this in their records in 2014. A search on the BBC's database now lists this as existing and gives its location and has done for the last seven years. I found a series one Monty Python's Flying Circus in the National Archives of Canada Kines collection which, like Sykes is a BBC film recording plus a third print of a Time Life kinescope of a series 2 Flying Circus, episode 11 'How Not to be Seen' which features the previously thought lost 'Cartoon Religions' animation. These were all donated in 1986 along with the CBC's true kinescope collection, but should have been returned to the BBC then. I have today reminded the BBC Archive that the material is there. Paul
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 15, 2021 9:01:14 GMT
Thank you for your work here Paul.
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Post by RWels on Feb 15, 2021 12:32:45 GMT
The thing is, a number of broadcasters and/or copyright holders don't want (some/all) material back. As Nicholas mentioned, this was followed up in detail with the BBC Archive and they noted this in their records in 2014. A search on the BBC's database now lists this as existing and gives its location and has done for the last seven years. I found a series one Monty Python's Flying Circus in the National Archives of Canada Kines collection which, like Sykes is a BBC film recording plus a third print of a Time Life kinescope of a series 2 Flying Circus, episode 11 'How Not to be Seen' which features the previously thought lost 'Cartoon Religions' animation. These were all donated in 1986 along with the CBC's true kinescope collection, but should have been returned to the BBC then. I have today reminded the BBC Archive that the material is there. Paul Wasn't Cartoon Religions already loaned by a 16mm collector from Australia (b/w)? Steven S.?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Feb 16, 2021 9:44:38 GMT
Wasn't Cartoon Religions already loaned by a 16mm collector from Australia (b/w)? Steven S.? It was. Steven (who is in the US) has that kinescope in his collection and loaned it to the BBC. It was also screened at the BFI. Another collector in the UK has a second print. There is a third in Archives Canada; they also have a kinescope of 'Live from the Grill-O-Mat' and a film recording of the series one episode 'How to Recognise Different Types of Trees from Quite a Long Way Away'. As well as that the original animation prints, cutting copy and neg trims of Cartoon Religions and the original artwork all survives in the Python archive and Terry Gilliam's archive respectively. The clean pre audience laughter sound also exists as do two colour off-air recordings from the US. I have Dean Monti's recordings who kindly allowed them to be used for the restoration. As well as restoring Cartoon Religion's, I used his tape of 'It's a Living' to restore the missing 'cancer' line from the Prince with the black spot animation, despite the fact that we had the mag sound for it clean. But it's not Sykes! It's worth pointing out that there are many BBC programmes that survive in official archives that aren't at the BBC. The BFI is the obvious one, the UCLA Film Library is another, The Library of Congress also and of course Archives Canada. These repositories exchange media all the time and have a close relationship. Obviously it would be peachy if material such as Sykes and a Movie Camera was sitting neatly on a shelf in the BBC archive. It may do one day, but it doesn't need to be there to be well looked after and it's no different to the long list of content sitting on the BFI's shelves. Paul
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 16, 2021 16:32:41 GMT
Library and Archives Canada is the equivalent of the National Archives (and with some aspects of the British Library) in the UK. It's where CBC sent it's own films for storage.
There's probably some other gems hidden in plain site there. Particularly for current affairs and documentaries, as there was much stuff that was repackaged into standard weekly CBC current affairs and nature series. (and no, there's no Doctor Who ... other than a VHS copy of an episode the Armageddon Factor someone in Rideau Hall recorded one evening ... probably for the Governor-General's kids ...)
The Canadian mystery is what did BBC do with the material that BBC Toronto held, when they closed that office?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 16, 2021 16:39:00 GMT
Library and Archives Canada is the equivalent of the National Archives (and with some aspects of the British Library) in the UK. It's where CBC sent it's own films for storage. There's probably some other gems hidden in plain site there. Particularly for current affairs and documentaries, as there was much stuff that was repackaged into standard weekly CBC current affairs and nature series. (and no, there's no Doctor Who ... other than a VHS copy of an episode the Armageddon Factor someone in Rideau Hall recorded one evening ... probably for the Governor-General's kids ...) The Canadian mystery is what did BBC do with the material that BBC Toronto held, when they closed that office? I found a few things in there; the 3 PPBs from 1955 are an example; one Tory, one Labour and one Liberal. I managed to ascertain the UK tx dates too.
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