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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 15, 2014 18:21:59 GMT
The EP notes on 'The One in The Middle' states Paul Jones originally wrote the title track for The Yardbirds but Keith Relf shied away from the lyrics (!) - well that's not surprising if it had the lines that Jones actually sings (did the lyrics originally refer to The Yardbirds line up ?)....all about; 'Let me tell ya 'bout The Manfreds..the music that their puttin' down' (again quoting the name of the much later touring band 'The Manfreds' as also mentioned in '5-4-3-2-1')
- Jones song namechecks and references who does what in the 'Chapter One' Manfred Mann outfit while no way would Yardbirds singer Keith Relf have ever sung the recorded lines;
'....and there's a geezer called Paul whose so thin and so tall...and so wants to be a star' / 'they didn't come for the rhythm, they didn't come for the beat...the people of the town came just to stand around and see the singer looking sweet...' !
I imagine the 'self knocking' nature of the piece (years before 10c.c. did 'The Worst Band in The World' - which also was ignored largely) was why it got an effective ban as Jones was, even back in 1964, questioning the whole giddy 'pop star' thing - as his later 1967 film 'Privilege' did - even before the likes of Ray Davies later did with songs like; 'Top of The Pops' etc
While Bob Dylan's song, besides the Holocaust line, was overall far too cynical re a 'God' forever being utilised by all and sundry as 'on our side' for 1964 airplay...
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Post by williammcgregor on Dec 15, 2014 18:38:54 GMT
All this praise,and I'm sure it was at least 14 minutes before he'd found the articles and posted them! Seriously,William,do you know it any viewers letters on this were printed? Hi John, I had a look but unfortunately as far as I can see no viewers letters were published in the NME
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Post by John Green on Dec 15, 2014 18:57:16 GMT
All this praise,and I'm sure it was at least 14 minutes before he'd found the articles and posted them! Seriously,William,do you know it any viewers letters on this were printed? Hi John, I had a look but unfortunately as far as I can see no viewers letters were published in the NME I bet they'd have had to be expurgated! Thanks for looking,William. I can see why the '65 one was the last,but I wonder if there were any attempts to hold them in '62-'64? Or were they held,but under different names?
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Post by williammcgregor on Dec 15, 2014 18:58:49 GMT
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Post by John Green on Dec 15, 2014 19:06:28 GMT
Very interesting stuff.Of course,it wasn't only MOR 'live' shows that weren't,or had the applause dubbed on...
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Post by John Green on Dec 15, 2014 19:11:09 GMT
The EP notes on 'The One in The Middle' states Paul Jones originally wrote the title track for The Yardbirds but Keith Relf shied away from the lyrics (!) - well that's not surprising if it had the lines that Jones actually sings (did the lyrics originally refer to The Yardbirds line up ?)....all about; 'Let me tell ya 'bout The Manfreds..the music that their puttin' down' (again quoting the name of the much later touring band 'The Manfreds' as also mentioned in '5-4-3-2-1') - Jones song namechecks and references who does what in the 'Chapter One' Manfred Mann outfit while no way would Yardbirds singer Keith Relf have ever sung the recorded lines; '....and there's a geezer called Paul whose so thin and so tall...and so wants to be a star' / 'they didn't come for the rhythm, they didn't come for the beat...the people of the town came just to stand around and see the singer looking sweet...' ! I imagine the 'self knocking' nature of the piece (years before 10c.c. did 'The Worst Band in The World' - which also was ignored largely) was why it got an effective ban as Jones was, even back in 1964, questioning the whole giddy 'pop star' thing - as his later 1967 film 'Privilege' did - even before the likes of Ray Davies later did with songs like; 'Top of The Pops' etc While Bob Dylan's song, besides the Holocaust line, was overall far too cynical re a 'God' forever being utilised by all and sundry as 'on our side' for 1964 airplay... I'd guess that WGOOS was also a trifle long.'The One in the Middle' put me in mind of the Mammas and Pappas song called..?
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Post by williammcgregor on Dec 15, 2014 20:18:41 GMT
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Post by John Green on Dec 15, 2014 20:58:29 GMT
There's a lot there,including a link to photos of the programme,plus official tallies of scores...in ink,rather than the safer pencil!
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Post by williammcgregor on Dec 16, 2014 15:35:22 GMT
Thanks,Patrick.At the risk of going O/T,the tune for 'With God' came from Dominic Behan's 'The Patriot Game' www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy2xz1Zuzbs I hadn't realised that there was a line about "six counties" as Dylan had one-as you say-about "six million".By "two banned tracks" I take it there was a problem getting airplay for 'With God'? Or was the record company unhappy? William,do you think you could send the info about the line-up at the final to Kal? John, Just to let you know I've been in contact with KAL as you suggested. I'll let you know if any more info back from them cheers William
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Post by williammcgregor on Jul 13, 2015 8:31:39 GMT
All this praise,and I'm sure it was at least 14 minutes before he'd found the articles and posted them! Seriously,William,do you know it any viewers letters on this were printed? Hi John, Sorry it's taken more that 14 mins this time! but; here are some readers letters about the final from the TV Times dated June 10th 1965...
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