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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 23, 2015 20:28:18 GMT
Is it really possible that all 7 episodes could have been "junked" (ie destroyed) after the 1970s screening? At a time when Betamax was already in existence (in the US and Japan) Auntie must have foreseen a market? And it would be possible that someone with a Philips N1500/N1502/N1700 would have made a home recording? Sadly this is part of the tragedy of the story. Some of the people involved at the BBC did foresee the home video market (primarily as a method of renting out dramas to people rather than anything else), indeed some of the high up execs already had them as early prototypes in 1973 (as a "gift" from one of the manufacturers at the time, can't remember which) and used them to record the output of one of the three channels while watching one of the other two to get double the coverage (presumably just using the one tape and re-recording over the footage in case anyone gets hopeful, although you never know, weirder things have happened). Unfortunately they were working in programme production rather than sales at BBC Enterprises so had no power to encourage them to do anything. It came up in Doctor Who Magazine a few years ago in the letters page (may have been after the Galaxy 4/Underwater Menace recovery).
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 24, 2015 13:32:47 GMT
It's interesting that even some Hollywood studio heads went on record that they would never release anything on home video, even for rent, but in a few years had soon reversed their attitudes.
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Post by benshea on Nov 4, 2015 0:39:21 GMT
Does anyone lucky enough to remember this episode remember anything about how the Emperor Dalek appeared onscreen with regards to movement, lights, etc?
In the surviving/offstage clips of the battle the prop itself doesn't move, but the lights on his head flash on and off (not in synch I might add) and his eyestalk doesn't move, though I am aware lots of these are FX shots and might not show it in a more normal situation..
I'm fascinated by this story and it is one I forever wish to be found. Episode 7 is my single most wanted episode ever.
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Post by johnbarbour on Nov 4, 2015 18:27:32 GMT
Ye Gods, but my heart (I've got only one) skipped a beat when I saw this item and every time something appears my optimism overcomes my brain. Ah well. I'd swap any episode of Evil for the whole of the recent output of Dr Who with that infernal guitar and stupid sunglasses....
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 4, 2015 19:38:23 GMT
Ye Gods, but my heart (I've got only one) skipped a beat when I saw this item and every time something appears my optimism overcomes my brain. Ah well. I'd swap any episode of Evil for the whole of the recent output of Dr Who with that infernal guitar and stupid sunglasses.... Amen to that!!
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Post by John Andersen on Nov 5, 2015 3:38:27 GMT
Ye Gods, but my heart (I've got only one) skipped a beat when I saw this item and every time something appears my optimism overcomes my brain. Ah well. I'd swap any episode of Evil for the whole of the recent output of Dr Who with that infernal guitar and stupid sunglasses.... If any episode of The Evil of the Daleks turns up, lets hope it isn't in Nigeria. We probably won't ever see it if that is the case...
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 5, 2015 7:37:26 GMT
If any episode of The Evil of the Daleks turns up, lets hope it isn't in Nigeria. We probably won't ever see it if that is the case... #MissingEpisodeBanter
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Post by John W King on Nov 5, 2015 20:05:52 GMT
In answer to Benshea - the Emperor did not move, just towered over the dimly lit chamber. I recall the "globes" on the body flashed randomly. The eye stalk moved. I saw the first showing of episode 7 but only the first six episodes of the repeat - a family holiday robbed of enjoying what I consider to be the second greatest episode of classic Who. (The greatest being An Unearthly Child"). The 3rd outing for the final battle sequence was in a hospital request programme - see a separate thread. The Evil of the Daleks is one of the saddest losses , in particular episode 7 which was a tour de force. Someone, please find it and return it.
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Post by benshea on Nov 10, 2015 0:07:44 GMT
In answer to Benshea - the Emperor did not move, just towered over the dimly lit chamber. I recall the "globes" on the body flashed randomly. The eye stalk moved. I saw the first showing of episode 7 but only the first six episodes of the repeat - a family holiday robbed of enjoying what I consider to be the second greatest episode of classic Who. (The greatest being An Unearthly Child"). The 3rd outing for the final battle sequence was in a hospital request programme - see a separate thread. The Evil of the Daleks is one of the saddest losses , in particular episode 7 which was a tour de force. Someone, please find it and return it. Thanks for your response!!! And to everyone else, thanks for your input too. Sorry if I instilled false hope in some of you! John - you are so lucky to have seen the episode! Anything else about the episode you'd like to share? How frequently did the eyestalk move, and did the Emperor's head rotate? I'm writing a data file on this prop and would hugely appreciate any extra input!
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Post by Sue Butcher on Nov 19, 2015 0:30:40 GMT
I do remember being annoyed by the mismatch between the full-size Daleks and the ones in the model shots in episode 7; the Marx toy Daleks were a bit oddly shaped. That didn't stop the episode from being unforgettable, it just makes it seem more Doctor Who-ish.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 10, 2015 20:11:01 GMT
In episode one - straight into the story after 'The Faceless Ones' story conclusion The Doctor & Jamie see the Tardis being driven off standing upright strapped into place on the back of a flat backed lorry.....The Doctor & Jamie chase after it but to no avail
- I recall they then go into a nearby coffee bar (to check the Lorry's destination I assume) where The Beatles 'Paperback Writer' is playing !
Later when Maxtible (Marius Goring) is lured towards the doorway with the Dalek factor device The Doctor yells (if I remember correctly);
'Maxtible... if you value your life don't go through that doorway...' (he does and jerky 'images' of him flicker about - he's then a 'Human Dalek' with just an expressionless stare)
The Doctor later does likewise and he too then has a blank 'stare' (tho' he's really faking it - unaffected as he tells Jamie because; I'm not from Earth...')
several 'humanised' Daleks begin chanting 'Dizzy Dalek..' and moving around and around
I can recall Patrick Troughton 'riding' the first 'Human factored' Dalek by holding onto the front of it as they go around in circles...'Their playing trains !' The Doctor announces, then he produces a train whistle !
The final episode concludes with The Dalek city in flames, following a battle between two Dalek factions, after telling Victoria that her father is dead, and Jamie that Victoria is coming with them as they head back towards the Tardis The Doctor pauses, looking down at the Dalek city and says; 'The end...the final end' (as it was then meant to be)
The closing credits then unusually ran over an extended picture of the burning Dalek city before fading to black...
Patrick Troughton & Frazer Hines apparently offered to 're-film' the tale in colour when they so enjoyed reuniting again to do 'The Two Doctors' in the 80's - BBC of course wern't interested....
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 10, 2015 22:28:18 GMT
In episode one - straight into the story after 'The Faceless Ones' story conclusion The Doctor & Jamie see the Tardis being driven off standing upright strapped into place on the back of a flat backed lorry.....The Doctor & Jamie chase after it but to no avail - I recall they then go into a nearby coffee bar (to check the Lorry's destination I assume) where The Beatles 'Paperback Writer' is playing ! Later when Maxtible (Marius Goring) is lured towards the doorway with the Dalek factor device The Doctor yells (if I remember correctly); 'Maxtible... if you value your life don't go through that doorway...' (he does and jerky 'images' of him flicker about - he's then a 'Human Dalek' with just an expressionless stare) The Doctor later does likewise and he too then has a blank 'stare' (tho' he's really faking it - unaffected as he tells Jamie because; I'm not from Earth...') several 'humanised' Daleks begin chanting 'Dizzy Dalek..' and moving around and around I can recall Patrick Troughton 'riding' the first 'Human factored' Dalek by holding onto the front of it as they go around in circles...'Their playing trains !' The Doctor announces, then he produces a train whistle ! The final episode concludes with The Dalek city in flames, following a battle between two Dalek factions, after telling Victoria that her father is dead, and Jamie that Victoria is coming with them as they head back towards the Tardis The Doctor pauses, looking down at the Dalek city and says; 'The end...the final end' (as it was then meant to be) The closing credits then unusually ran over an extended picture of the burning Dalek city before fading to black... Patrick Troughton & Frazer Hines apparently offered to 're-film' the tale in colour when they so enjoyed reuniting again to do 'The Two Doctors' in the 80's - BBC of course wern't interested.... That would have been very nice to have one Troughton Dalek story complete. Hell, at that time, no episodes from The Evil of the Daleks were known to exist.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 30, 2015 1:28:46 GMT
I can't see anybody remaking Evil in anything like its original form - even in the 80s. The reason is that, even in the 80s, it would be too slow. Look at what Letts/Dicks did with the show from the start of Season 8, nothing longer than 6 parts (OK, there's a possible exception with Frontier/Planet) to get more "opening nights" and many of the Pertwee 6 parters were padded 4 parters. Hinchcliffe/Holmes took it further with only one 6 parter per season and these died out completely by the time of Davison. The surviving episode of Evil is, imho, very good - but I'm a fan ! But if you coldly analyse it not much actually happens. Fifty years ago you could spend two episodes building up to the Doctor's first meeting with the story's "baddie" - noewadays you do a whole story in fifty minutes.
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