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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Nov 11, 2023 15:30:25 GMT
It’s been a while. I remember now Paul said two episodes.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Nov 11, 2023 14:19:01 GMT
It’s been known a number of missing episodes are in the hands of collectors. This was revealed by Paul some time ago. I think he estimated there were six. (Please correct me if I’m wrong)
Which episodes they are has been a matter of speculation. The collectors are not prepared to hand them over, as the article suggests.
The only thing new is the article says one of the episodes is a Dalek one? I didn’t know this.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Oct 17, 2023 19:21:38 GMT
I wish.
Has there been any official word regarding representation of missing episodes? I’d assume the animations would be okay. Anything else though? I’ve my doubts they even have placeholders explaining what the missing stories were about… and I doubt they’d release orphan episodes like Masterplan or Space Pirates…
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jul 22, 2023 1:11:50 GMT
It's good to see it again.
I can't remember, were the two episodes of Doctor Who also loaned? If so, I assume at some point we'll get a "here they are!" tweet.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jun 1, 2023 0:05:22 GMT
Bringing up an old thread to give us a little nostalgia for 2011. Terry Burnett passed away last February. He is the film collector who returned two episodes of Doctor Who (Air Lock and UM2) and later an episode of Hugh and I. Per Twitter announcements from Richard Latto and Stephen Cranford, the remaining collection has been transferred to an archive from Burnett's estate. Many of the cans are unlabeled and uncatalogued, so the archivists will need to determine what they are. Per Stephen Cranford in response to an enthusiastic commentator today: "Please don't get your hopes up. It could equally all be junk." Which is good advice. Other comments I spotted: * There's a lack of vinegar smell which is good news. * They will be reviewed by Richard Latto and a friend. * It'll take months to review it all. * Any further recoveries would be announced by the BBC. I had been busy for the last several months and hadn't realized he passed away. I did enjoy how happy he appeared in interviews about the recovery. I hope his collection is well taken care of, whatever may be in there. Edit: Originally I posted this on the old thread: Two Doctor Who Prints Returned! (Galaxy 4 etc...) ... but immediately became aware how that title would be misleading today. So I deleted the comment and made a new thread. For those interested in the Hugh and I recovery, that's this thread: Discovery 1,774 - Hugh and I - The Girl on the Poster
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Apr 8, 2023 22:09:24 GMT
The podcast 42 to Doomsday has come out with an episode where they interview Professor Jason Bainbridge, Executive Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Design at the University of Canberra. vyb42todoomsday.podbean.com/e/42-to-doomsday-the-great-curator-of-the-hoarder-tapes/It's a conversation about how he got into Doctor Who, his work, and the second half goes into the plans of what to do with the material. Very fascinating. Even if there is no Doctor Who as some hope, the vast size of the collection sounds like it will provide SOMETHING missing/of value ... even if it's lost advertisements. Also sounds like they'll be as transparent as they can be during the process.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 4, 2021 20:16:32 GMT
There are all manner of unusual methods adopted by TV stations to handle dual-language audios. The most common was to have one audio channel playing through the TV, with other audio channels transmitted over the radio. You just tuned into which one you wanted, presumably placing the radio on top of or near the TV set! This method was certainly used for DW in Thailand, and possibly also Iran. The Pertwees and Bakers shown in Arabic countries may have had 'narration' available through the radio. I can't imagine that method would sync up perfectly. But it's intuitive for sure.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 4, 2021 19:47:34 GMT
Or narrated - i.e. there was someone speaking the Arabic translations directly over the English dialogue. I'm such a modern day kid, I didn't even consider that as an option. The only time I see it is with programmable televisions narrating action for the blind. I'm so use to the options being "Dubbed" or "Subbed".
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 4, 2021 19:45:09 GMT
Do these survive in the archives by any chance? Doing some research into them. Also what about the Arabic dubs for them, do they survive? I'm not sure they were dubbed into Arabic, since the stations that aired them in Saudi and Dubai were English channels. Only the Hartnells got dubbed - and which ones still exist - either at the BBC or in private hands - is noted on the relevant pages at BroaDWcast. Some of the Spanish Tom Bakers do exist in private hands. Out of curiosity, who would've paid for translation at that time? Would BBC pay for it in interest of having their product air in another country ... or would it be the responsibility of the country itself?
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 4, 2021 19:29:57 GMT
The Arabic page mentions Pertwee and Baker airing in those countries. Doesn't seem like they were ever dubbed. Subbed though? Not sure.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 4, 2021 19:20:43 GMT
Relevant pages being the pages about the Language itself, rather than pages on individual stories. For example, " Arabic" has a detailed history on the original translations. It shows nine serials were translated and by 1978 only some of them are with the BBC. You'd have to read the article instead of relying on the tables, as there are instances where original translations are held in known private hands, (i.e, Aztecs 4). Unfortunately, aside from that one example I don't know what other episodes are currently in known safe hands. The sentence reads as if there are others, but doesn't list them out. When I look on the pages about the stories they would certainly mention the translations ... but I didn't know their current fate/whereabouts until I went to the language itself. " Unearthly Child" mentions its Arabic translation and only one of those episodes had been screened ... but it's on the language page you find out none of them are held by the BBC currently save for clips from Blue Peter.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Oct 26, 2021 17:21:15 GMT
I wouldn't mind an update as well, but I don't feel like it should be pressed. They know how much fans/enthusiasts are eager to find out any information, so it's not like they forgot to tell us.
I'm sure the pandemic hasn't helped either.
Things will be revealed when they are revealed.
Plus, any work on this front probably covers more than just Doctor Who. It would also be the recovery of other BBC material, material from other countries, and the country's own material. I'm sure there's a lot to do.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Oct 22, 2021 16:31:23 GMT
That's a difficult question to answer.
It's easy to look at the list of countries that aired Doctor Who and determine Season 1 and 2 would be more likely than Season 3 or 4. Yet we find episodes like Airlock, Masterplan 2, Underwater Menace 2 ... and still not a single clip of Marco Polo.
I believe this is likely because despite the number of airings Marco Polo had, it's still a small enough number for luck and bad luck to intervene. How many copies were made for Marco Polo? How many of those copies were bicycled to the next country? And what are the fates of each copy?
Episodes were destroyed when no longer needed, and several of the episodes we have found were scheduled to be destroyed. It's pure luck episodes left on the skip to be destroyed were saved.
It could likely be Marco Polo has a 0% chance of survival, yet Masterplan and Galaxy 4 have a higher chance because circumstantial evidence suggests copies of those episodes were let loose into the collector's circuit. That might actually be the scenario we face.
Point being we really have NO idea how to quantify the percent chance of survival for each story. We can point to things like the number of airings, the proven destruction of copies, the episodes we have found ... but we just don't know. We could discover Feast of Steven tomorrow, and never see Reign of Terror 5 ... or we could get all of Season 1 suddenly and discover the last copy of Power of the Daleks was indeed destroyed.
Only time will tell.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Oct 9, 2021 6:29:42 GMT
Haven't purchased just yet, but saw a clip on youtube of Alpha, Beta, Omega ... this animation is really nice. It has just enough fluid motion to give it charm. It also helps that Daleks in general are easy to animate.
Will definitely pick this one up.
Edit: I say "easy to animate". They might be difficult for animators, I don't know. It's just, every time I see them they glide around on screen very nicely.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 16, 2021 3:02:15 GMT
Very excited! This is one of my favorite stories. I look forward to this.
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