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Post by markdixon on Dec 11, 2016 15:01:24 GMT
Here’s some information about another obscure Granada regional programme which appears to be missing from the archives.
‘OK’ was an early-evening series which contained news, features, discussion, advice and information for teenagers in the North West. It also featured a performance by a rock band at the start and end of each edition.
There were 12 episodes in total. Series 1 ran from 4th August 1972-8th September 1972 and series 2 ran from 23 July 1973-3rd September 1973. Here’s how the 'TV Times' described the first edition:
OK – it begins and ends with rock ‘n’ roll. There’s a whole lot besides… It’s something special and different – a ‘talk-back’ time for youth that gives them the run of the show with their presenters John Ford, Chris Meredith and Jane Wood - and some music.
A description from a few weeks later indicates that music had become the focus of the show:
With rock… news, films. Rock, events, people. Rock again, information, and more rock.
Here’s a partial list of musical guests:
11 Aug 1972: Brinsley Schwarz
23 Jul 1973: Glencoe
30 Jul 1973: Ducks Deluxe, String Driven Thing
13 Aug 1973: Fumble
I don’t know which guests appeared in the other 8 episodes, but there’s a strong chance there were some rare appearances by bands who still have cult status.
The producer was Andy Mayer (who had previously been part of the production team of ‘Nice Time’) and the director was Peter Walker (who later went on to direct ‘So It Goes’). Series 1 was studio-bound, but series 2 was recorded in various locations in the North West such as Blackpool Airport and Clitheroe Castle. I know very little about most of the presenters, but Trevor Hoyle (who joined in Series 2) went on to be a critically-acclaimed science-fiction novelist.
I hope the appearances by Brinsley Schwarz and Ducks Deluxe have survived somewhere because the pub rock scene isn’t very well represented in British TV archives. I’d like to see ‘OK’ because it would probably turn out to be an interesting time capsule of early 70s youth culture. The programme seems to have been a precursor of BBC-2’s 'Something Else'.
Does anyone have any further information about 'OK'?
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Post by markdixon on Nov 29, 2016 20:56:58 GMT
I'm interested in the report that "The Rave" was due to be broadcast live on 06 March 1967. Previously I'd assumed it had been recorded on that date and that it would have needed a few days of post-production before it was ready for broadcast.
I'm beginning to think that it was broadcast live on Granada at 10.05 that night as a special edition of "Scene". You might remember the letter that I quoted from the "TV Times" earlier in this thread.
Scene of Success
Granada should be congratulated for showing the daring experiment which made up “Scene” on March 6.
By combining things which are already in existence – free pop music, satire, psychedelic visuals, and the kind of condensed philosophy which made Bob Dylan, and now the LSD people notorious – something greater than any of these was created – something teeming with imagination – something which only TV can put over.
Tim Horrocks Leigh, Lancs
Originally I thought there was an error in this letter and the writer was referring to 'Scene Special: It's So Far Out It's Straight Down' which was broadcast on 07 March 1967. However, I can see now how the letter could easily be about "The Rave". The 'satire' and 'condensed philosophy' could have been provided by the Move through comic banter and stage theatrics.
It's worth noting that "Scene" had stopped being a traditional news/magazine programme by 1967. Many one-off programmes and short series were broadcast under the "Scene" banner. These included documentaries, discussion programmes and even a comedy revue show starring Kenneth Cope. Therefore, it's not impossible that for one night only "Scene" became the platform for an experimental pop show called "The Rave".
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Post by markdixon on Nov 28, 2016 19:56:49 GMT
Hi William. Thanks for looking through your music papers and books for me.
I think "The Rave" will always remain a bit of a mystery. It's hard to get a sense of the style and tone of the show. Was the studio decked out like a psychedelic nightclub? Were the Move good at hosting the show? We'll probably never know.
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Post by markdixon on Nov 27, 2016 14:57:03 GMT
It's possible that the reader was referring to Granada's "The Rave" programme. This featured the Move and Pink Floyd and was recorded on 06 March 1967. I think Granada had hoped the programme would be broadcast across the ITV network, but this never happened. Perhaps an unscheduled broadcast of "The Rave" took place in the Granada region (which included Yorkshire at the time) about a week before that edition of the NME was published. Thanks Mark, I wonder if Granada kept footage of this pilot show? I don't suppose they did as it would probably have surfaced by now. It's criminal as Pink Floyd and The Move are two of my favourite groups Hi William. "The Rave" pilot has definitely been wiped. It would be nice if some behind-the-scenes photos or publicity shots were in existence somewhere. By the way, I had a look for more information about the programme and I found the following snippet online from an unidentified music paper: On Monday, Pink Floyd also did a pilot TV show with the Move for Manchester's Granada which is planned as a possible replacement for "Ready Steady Go!"
It's likely that the date of the article was 11 March 1967, but I was wondering if you know which music paper featured it? I also found a website which claims that the Move performed "Night of Fear" on the pilot, but I don't know if that information is reliable or not. I've checked copies of "TV Times" from early 1967 and I couldn't find any mention of "The Rave". The programme never appeared in any TV listings as far as I can tell. It's not even listed in the "Granada Television Programme Index" which was published in the early Seventies. I still think it's plausible that Granada broadcast the pilot as a last-minute replacement for a regional programme that ran into technical difficulties. However, another possibility is that clips of Pink Floyd and the Move from "The Rave" may have been shown in one of Granada's late-night regional shows such as "Friday Scene".
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Post by markdixon on Nov 23, 2016 20:53:09 GMT
In early 1967, would the regular music fan (in London & beyond) regard it as 'psychedelia'? Or would they just be enjoying new music, without seeing it as a particular genre? 'Psychedelic' became a fashionable word in the music press towards the end of 1966, so it's possible that many music fans responded to it in a superficial manner (or were baffled by the term). However, I suspect that many people in London and beyond properly understood psychedelic music quite early on because there had been many precursors. The Beatles, Donovan, the Byrds, the Yardbirds and others had paved the way for psychedelic music from 1965 onwards. I imagine that psychedelic music was deemed to be a distinct genre from late 66 onwards because of the drug associations, the visual presentation and the links to underground culture and alternative media. Aspects of underground culture (such as British Beat poetry, experimental jazz, auto-destructive art, Happenings etc.) had been featured in various British radio and TV programmes since the early Sixties, so many music fans in early 1967 probably had some understanding of the cultural scene that spawned Pink Floyd. There were also underground art, music and poetry scenes in cities such as Liverpool, Newcastle and Edinburgh from the early Sixties onwards. All of this probably explains why two viewers from the North of England were able to write enthusiastic and knowledgeable letters to the 'NME' and 'TV Times' as early as March 1967 about programmes that featured Pink Floyd.
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Post by markdixon on Nov 18, 2016 20:32:57 GMT
It's possible that the reader was referring to Granada's "The Rave" programme. This featured the Move and Pink Floyd and was recorded on 06 March 1967. I think Granada had hoped the programme would be broadcast across the ITV network, but this never happened. Perhaps an unscheduled broadcast of "The Rave" took place in the Granada region (which included Yorkshire at the time) about a week before that edition of the NME was published.
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Post by markdixon on Nov 13, 2016 13:34:20 GMT
I thought I’d resurrect this old thread to share the information I have about “Firstimers”. In answer to the original question, no footage survives from the series.
“Firstimers” was a talent show produced by Johnny Hamp which ran from 22 May 1967 to 04 April 1968. It was broadcast each weekday in the Granada region as a segment in the 10-minute news/magazine programme “On Air” (which started at 4.50 pm). However, there were several extended Wednesday night editions of “Firstimers” which featured a round-up of some of the best performers.
The programme is of interest to me for two reasons. Firstly, a few of the performers went on to be successful after making their debuts on the show e.g. Amen Corner and the John Evan Smash (who became better known as Jethro Tull). Apparently, Elton John and Gilbert O’Sullivan also appeared on the show.
Secondly, “Firstimers” seems to have been one of the few British TV programmes that featured obscure psychedelic pop. The severely underrated Kaleidoscope appeared on the show as did a number of bands whose names I recognise from psych-pop compilations: the Rush (aka Tinkerbell’s Fairydust), the Klubs, Cuppa T and A New Generation. There may have been more.
There were over 200 editions of the show and over 180 performers appeared on it. I’ve managed to compile a partial list of performers. Many of these seem to be folk and cabaret musicians. I realise a lot of this information is quite meaningless to most people because a high percentage of the names are very obscure. However, it's possible that some of the lesser-known performers made audio recordings of their appearances on the extended editions of “Firstimers”. Therefore, they may have also captured performances by some of the musicians who later achieved fame or cult status.
22 May 1967: Kathy Jones - “This Is My Song” / 23 May 1967: Foggy Dew-O - "Reflections” / 24 May 1967: The John Evan Smash - “Take The Easy Way” / 25 May 1967: Bill Brennan - “Tender Ladies” / 26 May 1967: The Cumbrian Folk - "The New York Girls” / 5 Jun 1967: The Pennine Folk / 6 Jun 1967: The Scrunnge Duo / 7 Jun 1967: Michael Terry / 8 Jun 1967: Viki Paul / 9 Jun 1967: The Stone Brothers / 19 Jun 1967: The Celebrated Gentleman / 20 Jun 1967: Bill Kenwright and the Runaways / 21 Jun 1967: Phil + Froo / 22 Jun 1967: Tony Darrell / 23 Jun 1967: The Classical Trio / 26 Jun 1967: The Tin Folk / 27 Jun 1967: John Rotherham Trio / 28 Jun 1967: John Rotherham Trio with Michael Allen / 29 Jun 1967: Lisa Jones / 30 Jun 1967: The Utopians / Jul 1967: The Petits / Jul 1967: Hal Davies / c. Jul 1967: The Grumbleweeds / c. Jul 1967: Paul Weldon and the Tennessee Sound / c. Jul 1967: Helen Del / c. Jul 1967: Shmoes Corps Revised / c. Jul 1967: Wendy King / c. Jul 1967: Owen Wood - "Weary Welcome" / c. Jul 1967: The Kirkby Town Three / c. Jul 1967: Gilbert O’Sullivan / c. Jul 1967: The Buffalo Band / c. Jul 1967: The Klubs - "Only John Tring" / c. Jul 1967: Amen Corner - "Gin House" / c. Jul 1967: A New Generation / c. Jul 1967: John Paul Joans / 12 Jul 1967: Tom O'Connor / c. Aug 1967: Skip Bifferty / 11 Aug 1967: The Crabtrees - "Birmingham" / 16 Aug 1967: Peter Law / 24 Aug 1967: Jim James and Raphael Callaghan - "Steam Train" / 25 Aug 1967: Johnny Young / c. Aug 1967: The Beggarmen / c. Aug 1967: The Rush - "Happy” and “Make Mine Music” / c. Aug 1967: Elton John / Sep 1967: Sandra Bryant / 4 Sep 1967: Paula Darrell and the Eddie Robinson Quintet / 12 Sep 1967: Ronnie Cheevers /14 Sep 1967: Hubert Pattison - "My Home's In My Pocket" / 22 Sep 1967: The Quintons / 13 Oct 1967: The Wreckers / 17 Oct 1967: Kaleidoscope / 13 Nov 1967: Michael Garvey - "Nanaimo Legend" / 29 Nov 1967: The Summers - "Study in X”/ c. Dec 1967: Susan Wilson / c. Dec 1967: The Buddies / 1967: The Fairytale / 1967: Linda Russell - "Sunny" / 1967: The Moonshiners - "McAlpine's Fusiliers" / c. Jan 1968: Keith Swift /3 Jan 1968: The Love Affair / 12 Jan 1968: Lorna Hilton - "Ordinary Girl" / 1968: Ged Hone Ragtime Band / c. Jan 1968: Timon - "Something New Every Day" / c. 1968: The Brownsville Jug Band / c. 1968: Blue Horizon / 1968: Edison Bell Spasm Band - "On The Road Again” (audio of this performance is on YouTube) / 1968: Tommy Bishop / 1968: The Idle Hours
There were also three award shows to mark the end of each series:
23 August 1967: Amen Corner, Foggy Dew-O, Kathy Jones, John Paul Joans, Bob Stewart, John Taylor and one other. Prizes were presented by Engelbert Humperdinck. 26 Dec 1967: The Summers, Mike Styan, Donna-Jo, The Kentuckians, Tom and Smiley, Cuppa T, Frank Barry Duo. Prizes were presented by the Bachelors. 04 April 1968: The Rock 'N' Roll Revival Band, Nina Shaw, Richard Fox, Kath Wood, John Zaradin
By the way, some of these contestants achieved success in other fields. Kathy Jones later appeared in ‘Coronation Street’ and became one of the original presenters of ‘A Handful of Songs’. Bill Kenwright became a theatre producer and chairman of Everton Football Club.
You might be vaguely aware of John Paul Joans who was voted “Best Male Vocalist” in August 1967. He was an eccentric singer and comedian who had a minor chart hit in 1970 with “The Man from Nazareth” (which he co-wrote with three members of 10cc).
Any additions or corrections are welcome. I’d particularly be interested if anyone has further information about the performances by Elton John and Gilbert O’Sullivan.
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Post by markdixon on Nov 8, 2016 17:11:11 GMT
I don't know much about '24 Hours: Bootleg Records'. It's included on the list of contents of the 'Early Years' box set. It seems to consist of an interview with Pink Floyd. I suspect that BBC-1's nightly news magazine programme '24 Hours' ran a feature about the music industry's reaction to the rise of bootleg recordings.
By the way, I found details of a few possible lost Pink Floyd British TV appearances that I didn't mention in my earlier post. I think these are a bit dubious really, but I'll post them here in case anyone has some further information.
1967: Pilot show with Bill Oddie? Not transmitted. Missing. (Could this have been 'Twice a Fortnight?) July 1967: Possible appearance on unknown Tyne-Tees programme. Missing. July 1967: Possible appearance on unknown Scottish TV programme. Missing. 23 October 1967: BBC2 'The Impresarios: Transport by Underground' (did Pink Floyd appear on this?). Missing 23 January 1972: Concert in Southampton filmed by BBC. Not transmitted. Missing
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Post by markdixon on Nov 6, 2016 17:03:31 GMT
Is there a list of all pink floyds TV appearances from the 60s? is there any appearances missing? There are lots of Pink Floyd chronologies online that list film footage and TV appearances in various countries. Some of this information is confusing and inaccurate. I thought I'd have a go at compiling a list of early British TV appearances by Pink Floyd. Any corrections or additions are welcome. Broadcast dates for transmitted programmes07 March 1967: Granada 'Scene Special: It's So Far Out It's Straight Down' - Interstellar Overdrive. Exists 14 May 1967: BBC1 'Look of the Week' - Pow R Toc H/Astronomy Domine. Exists 06 July 1967: BBC1 'Top of the Pops' - See Emily Play. Exists 13 July 1967: BBC1 'Top of the Pops' - See Emily Play. Missing 17 July 1967: Rediffusion 'Living Music'. Missing 18 July 1967: Rediffusion 'Come Here Often' -Apples and Oranges? Missing 27 July 1967: BBC1 'Top of the Pops' - See Emily Play. Missing 17 January 1968: BBC1 'Tomorrow's World' - Instrumental Improvisation. Exists 18 May 1968: BBC2 'Release: Rome Goes Pop' - It Would Be So Nice. Exists 29 June 1968: BBC2 'Release' - A Saucerful of Secrets. Missing 10 September 1968: BBC2 'The Sound of Change' - Instrumental Improvisation Exists 03 November 1968: BBC1 'Omnibus: All My Loving' - Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun. Exists. 05 March 1969: BBC1 'Science Session: Let's Make Pop'. Missing 29 May 1969 HTV 'Fusions'. Missing 20 July 1969: BBC1 'Omnibus: So What if It's Just Green Cheese?' - Moonhead. Missing 13 March 1970: BBC2 'Late Night Line-Up' - music from 'Zabriskie Point'. Missing 28 December 1970: BBC2 'Line-Up 70' ( repeat of performance from 13.03.70). Missing 1971: BBC1 '24 Hours: Bootleg records'. Exists Recording dates for programmes not transmitted06 March 1967: Granada 'The Rave' - Arnold Layne. Missing 09 July 1967: Concert at the Roundhouse, London, filmed for BBC2's 'Man Alive'. Missing 11 April 1968: BBC2 pilot 'My Generation'. Missing Oct 1969: BBC Wales. Unreleased Syd Barrett footage in short documentary about singer-songwriter Meic Stevens. Missing Miscellaneous08 April 1966: Rediffusion 'Ready Steady Go' (apparently Syd Barrett could be clearly seen in the audience). Missing 18 July 1970: Hyde Park concert recorded by John Hopkins' TVX video workshop and research group. Exists (this counts as British TV, but it wasn't shown to the public via a broadcasting channel) Finally, I thought some of you might be interested in this letter about the 'Scene Special' featuring Pink Floyd that I found in the Northern edition of the 'TV Times' 25 March 1967-31 March 1967. This is probably the only thing that was written about the programme at the time. Scene of Success
Granada should be congratulated for showing the daring experiment which made up “Scene” on March 6.By combining things which are already in existence – free pop music, satire, psychedelic visuals, and the kind of condensed philosophy which made Bob Dylan, and now the LSD people notorious – something greater than any of these was created – something teeming with imagination – something which only TV can put over.Tim Horrocks Leigh, Lancs
Note that the transmission date given is slightly different from the one listed in most sources.
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Post by markdixon on Oct 31, 2016 20:34:51 GMT
That's great, many thanks. And I see that happily it still exists in the archive. Was Johnny Hamp effectively the Stanley Dorfman of ITV? Both seem to be closely associated with music shows on their respective channels. Yes, Hamp was one of the most important producers of music on ITV for quite a while. During the 1960s he produced nearly 20 networked music specials for Granada and all of these still exist. Some of them are very well-known (e.g. "The Music of Lennon and McCartney"), but even the obscure ones are of interest. For example, there's a documentary film from 1967 called "Come and Get Your Money" which contains some great footage of Swinging London. The survival rate isn't as good for Hamp's regional Granada programmes. He put hundreds of bands on "Scene at 6.30", but very little of this footage has survived. Luckily, the concert programme "Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel" still exists. It was broadcast in the Granada region as a two-parter originally, but at some point it got edited into a single programme. Hamp also produced a great music series in 1970 called "Doing Their Thing". It featured rock bands such as Deep Purple and it survives in full.
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Post by markdixon on Oct 30, 2016 16:12:22 GMT
The programme was called "Getting Sentimental Over You" (although in some ITV regions it was listed as "The Big Band Sound"). It was produced by Johnny Hamp for Granada and was broadcast nationally on 26 December 1969.
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Post by markdixon on Oct 13, 2016 20:36:04 GMT
I think the black and white clips came from an edition of "Blue Peter" broadcast on 03 February 1964. The Searchers performed "Needles and Pins" and "Saturday Night Out".
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Post by markdixon on Oct 12, 2016 18:52:30 GMT
the BFI have a holding for... A Whole Lotta Shakin Goin On (Orig) Don't Knock The Rock (Alt) 1964-09-30 Granada Television Director: Philip Casson Producer: John Hamp Special music event featuring Jerry Lee Lewis Gene Vincent THE ANIMALS The Nashville Teens The Breakaways The Flintstone Shouts VHS cassette and digital Betacam 38.07 minutes they also have a holding for the... New Musical Express Poll Winners Concert 1965-04-25 ABC Television The Animals The BFI has a filmographic record, with no holding for... Hippodrome 1966-09-26 Rediffusion The Animals none of the 3 above appear either on the Lost shows link in the opening post, or in the 20 added by Mark Dixon in his later post on the thread. Clips from "A Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" and the whole of the "NME Poll Winners Concert" from 1965 are on YouTube. "The Hippodrome Show" was a co-production between Rediffusion in the UK and Van Bernard Productions in the USA. Two camera crews worked on the show at the same time, colour for the US and black and white for the UK. I think the black and white edition from 26 September 1966 is missing, but the colour version broadcast on CBS on 2 August 1966 still exists. The sequences featuring the Animals are on YouTube.
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Post by markdixon on Oct 9, 2016 11:14:46 GMT
Here's another lost TV appearance by Eric Burdon and the Animals to add to the list:
03 February 1967: Crackerjack
I also found some information about missing TV appearances made by Eric Burdon without the Animals.
Eric Burdon was a special guest on 'Stage One Contest' on 07 December 1965. This was a Rediffusion series which featured short plays written and performed by schoolchildren. I imagine Burdon was there to hand out a prize at the end of the show. This particular episode received an award of honour at the Munich Prix Jeunesse in 1966. I wonder if a copy still exists in the archives of the Prix Jeunesse Foundation? I know they retained some old TV programmes because an edition of 'Do Not Adjust Your Set' was found there in 2015.
Burdon appeared on 'Late Show London' on 10 January 1966 and 19 January 1966. I don't know if he sang or was interviewed.
Burdon was a guest on the children's magazine programme 'Action' on 21 February 1966.
Burdon was a panellist on 'Juke Box Jury' on 05 March 1966, 04 June 1966 and 26 November 1966.
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Post by markdixon on Oct 8, 2016 12:08:43 GMT
Here's a list of some missing British TV appearances by the Animals that aren't mentioned on Lost Shows:
The Animals
09 Dec 1963: Scene at 6.30 18 Mar 1964: Scene at 6.30 26 Sep 1964: Open House 08 Feb 1965: Discs A Go-Go 29 Mar 1965: Scene at 6.30 19 Oct 1965: Five O’Clock Funfair 28 Oct 1965: Five 0’Clock Funfair 03 Nov 1965: Discs A Go-Go 16 Dec 1965: Three Go Round 19 Jan 1966: Here Come The Animals 23 Feb 1966: A Whole Scene Going
Eric Burdon and the Animals
15 Oct 1966: Countdown 18 Nov 1966: Crackerjack 10 Dec 1967: Eamonn Andrews Show 06 Jan 1968: Good Evening 26 Jan 1968: All Systems Freeman 26 Jan 1968: New Release 18 May 1968: Time for Blackburn 19 May 1968: The Golden Shot 26 Jul 1968: How It Is
Eric Burdon also made a few appearances on British TV during this period without the Animals and some of these are missing.
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