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Post by lousingh on Mar 27, 2021 18:24:55 GMT
I can't find the quote from Edouard DeSouza about his help with the remake of "Mission to the Unknown", but I think a recreation might work better by also asking the old actors, set designers, costumers, etc. In addition. DeSouza said that he could remember directions, why they happened, etc., and it just looked "right."
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Post by lousingh on Mar 13, 2021 3:23:47 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbonokcLbNoI subscribe to Mathologer on YouTube. He has references to old SF TV shows, so he did the mathematical theory of the variations of the Towers of Hanoi in honour of The Trilogic Game from "The Celestial Toymaker".
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Post by lousingh on Feb 4, 2021 6:56:26 GMT
I would like The Savages first. After that, The Smugglers, The Myth Makers, and The Massacre.
I really hope they try more live action recreations.
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Post by lousingh on Jan 6, 2021 10:41:13 GMT
Reminds me of the rumors I herd in Los Angeles in the early 90's of Troughton screenings in Canada, but nothing came of them. . . . I have a friend who backtracked that at the time. The conclusion was that it was confusing Hartnell with Troughton.
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Post by lousingh on Nov 30, 2020 0:59:15 GMT
Yes, it's a shame they didn't continue in the style of The Moonbase animation - as mattg says; it is the gold standard. Did it cost more to make in that style? Or is that not relevant to why subsequent animations didn't follow its look? It does also depend on the quality of the actual story itself as to the success of it's animated episodes in my opinion. Although yes,The Moonbase's animation is excellent,the serial itself is quite thin so the animation is less memorable. For me,the gold standard is still the original animations for The Invasion. Excellent story,superb direction,effects and music together with great actors makes the animated episodes even more effective when placed against the live action.They are astoundingly good.Even the Brigadier's moustache is rendered properly! I know that the BBC have a financial interest in cranking these animations out as fast as they can, but IMHO, they should give the animation houses time to really get things really right. Remember that one of the developers of the group that did The Power of the Daleks is on this board and he described how little time they gave the company to finish (6 months). As a developer, I know that this is endemic in the media industry, but I would rather that they be given the time so that 7 day, 100 hour weeks aren't a necessity to get the product out the door. Then, every story can get the look we wish it had.
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Post by lousingh on Apr 11, 2020 3:57:23 GMT
Youll have to excuse my cynicism over what Phil says,...he may well be right, but Im tired of him popping up every year or two, making comments, that set the fans off again,sets off all the arguing and nastiness on the forums and again and again, nothing comes of it. You cannot blame peoples frustration, and echoing someones earlier comment,...we are not getting any younger, the people that made and acted in these serials are dying, the fans that watched as kids are now old people themselves and they are dying...much longer and there wont be anyone left to want to see them. The new fans and the kids of today aren't as interested in old B/W episodes as we are. Weve let Phil do things his way, and after over 10 years we have very few episodes back, and I mean of all kinds of TV,...maybe its time to consider or even debate something else without simply discarding it. I understand your frustration. The problem is that the people with the films hold all the cards and they know it. And once rare items get into a collector's hands, it is very difficult to extract them. I feel very badly for those who have passed and missed out for whatever reasons. I wish that sentiment could have changed their minds. If I knew a way to meet whatever price they would want on the private market, I would do it. I strongly advise against any kind of pressure on the owners - if they are not fans of Doctor Who, we could see the films meeting the same fate as the paintings from the Kunsthal Art Theft. (Think Lon and Tegan with the curator from part three of "Snakedance".) Like it or not, we have to wait for them to make their moves.
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Post by lousingh on Apr 10, 2020 7:27:54 GMT
Several points:
1. Why are these people keeping the episodes?
As Mattg mentioned, it probably is the "City of Death" explanation: they have it; we want it; they can gloat. Another might be that they are former BBC employees who are angry at being sacked. A third is that they are collectors who hold these in reserve to trade for something else that is similarly rare.
2. How can they be convinced to relinquish them?
Everything has a price; odds are it is pretty exorbitant. If we assume they are not fans (I assume this), then one would need to trade a similarly rare item that they would like more than the episodes. Depending on the person, you might be talking about a scratch copy of the master reels of "Star Wars: A New Hope" up to, say, the original lyrics that Van Dyke Parks wrote for Brian Wilson for "Smile". Anything here would be very painful to relinquish.
3. Is there hope of their return?
Yes. In fact, I am quite optimistic. If the current owners had intended to sit on them for whatever reason, I think it is unlikely that they would have revealed the episodes' existence; as I said, you normally hold stuff like this in reserve for private deals. Thus, I expect that the owners have at least considered returning them and may be waiting for something specific to happen or a specific price to be met.
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Post by lousingh on Apr 5, 2020 23:25:38 GMT
IMHO, PM is very circumspect because he knows the frenzy that would the merest hint like this. Thus, I think he is quite certain of the material and has an idea of the shape it is in.
I hold out hope that anything that a typical collector holds is in at least decent condition. If you have prize possessions, you go out of your way not to let them deteriorate.
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Post by lousingh on Jan 6, 2020 22:17:31 GMT
I think it's more likely binned than saved. Hope im wrong but to me it's much more likely that the curator was more concerned with PM taking something than the actual episode. Hope more show up, but with 6 years passing I think most search areas have been explored. Merry Christmas I just don't see a collector chucking it because the BBC have essentially granted amnesty for possession of missing episodes. We collectors don't just pitch things that we know are valuable. In fact, virtually every collector I know goes out of his/her way to preserve the rare items. I can easily see someone sitting on it and thumbing her/his nose at everyone just because s/he can. What I worry about more is someone who just gave an episode some legs and took it home to his kids, who decided that they didn't like the episode, and then *that* got pitched or forgotten.
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Post by lousingh on Jan 6, 2020 22:03:16 GMT
Animations just don't do anything for me, and I really wish they did. I'd be more interested in the Q&A with Anneke. I would love more episodes to be found of this from private collections, I feel like it's a seriously slept on story. I like the animations, but I wish the BBC gave the animators more time to really make the characters' actions look more natural. IMHO, after full recoveries, I would like to see more live-action recreations such as Mission to the Unknown. But if the animations are the closest I may ever get to seeing the old episodes again, I am OK with it.
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Post by lousingh on Dec 16, 2019 12:31:35 GMT
Apologies if this was already mentioned.
I just got a message that this is coming out on Boxing Day in Canada. Yea or Nay?
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Post by lousingh on Nov 1, 2019 20:45:57 GMT
Further to my last post, I'm now halfway through watching Daleks' Masterplan, that's 3 real episodes and 9 Loose Cannon reconstructions. I must say that the transition between surviving and reconstructed episodes is not at all jarring, and I find myself almost not noticing which I'm watching. The LC recon (as always) is so good that the story is totally engrossing. I find it atmospheric and satisfying in a way that animation just isn't, and if anyone hasn't tried the recons, I heartily endorse them. Of course, I'm just coming up to Feast Of Steven, so, wish me luck, I'm going in... The recons are just amazing. I think that I get a great flavour of the story from them. Until I saw the animations and then the recreation of "Mission to the Unknown", I figured they would be the closest I might get to the originals if they were not recovered. IMHO, when you get a moment, give a "thank you" to everyone who has made those recons possible. After writing that, I suddenly had several questions: 1. What was the cost of the recreation of "Mission to the Unknown"? 2. How did the cost of "Mission to the Unknown" compare to the money required to make 1 episode of the animations? Basically, I am wondering if we have a fiscal criterion for when the BBC might prefer a live-action recreation over animation. Maybe a longer story with limited sets and actors would be cheaper than a corresponding animations. 3. If there is a case where the costs are comparable, are there any sets of missing episodes where you would prefer one over the other? Put another way, which ones would you want them to make a live-action recreation of? In the last case, I can make an argument that historicals might be easier to do as live-action. I imagine that "The Savages" might work better as live-action rather than as animations because part of the denouement works better if the actor play Jano can mimic the appearance of the actor playing The Doctor. Also, given the relatively limited requirements for sets and actors for the length, I should think that "The Space Pirates" might be cheaper as a live-action re-enactment.
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Post by lousingh on Oct 21, 2019 22:25:12 GMT
As far as I can tell, Doctor Who was broadcast in both English and Arabic in Iran, with one of the audio streams transmitted over the radio. Although they speak Farsi / Persian in Iran, it's very similar to Arabic, so there wouldn't have been a full Farsi dub, but possibly instead there was a Farsi narrator talking 'live' as it went out. One of my late Dad's friends left Iran in 1978. He said that many people could speak a blend of Farsi, Arabic, and often Urdu. They could have just gone with an Arabic-only print and got away with it.
Oh, and when I said, "blend", I really meant it. It would be like being fluent in English, French, and Spanish, when a sentence like "I drank 4 beers too fast" could be said as "je drank quatro bieres too rapidamente".
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Post by lousingh on Oct 21, 2019 22:11:21 GMT
The one minor quibble I have with this (and also with the Day of the Daleks special edition on dvd) are the Dalek voices. Nicholas Briggs does a fantastic job, no doubt, but his Daleks are a tad more emotional than '60's Daleks and I would have preferred it if he dialed down his performance a bit. The Daleks might be the one place where I would use the original soundtrack in the final product of these recreations. And if they did this with "The Wheel in Space", I would do the same thing with the Cybermen.
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Post by lousingh on Sept 30, 2019 2:06:25 GMT
Love the picture.
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