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Post by Douglas Wulf on Aug 12, 2020 15:13:14 GMT
Just to add a comment I've made on other forums that the photos seem to show that the Kodak film also has a Keykode next to the film edge numbers, which would put the film stock as being post-1990. OK, thanks. Since it was existing footage, the chances were that it is merely a film of a DVD or VHS of existing footage, but it's good to have investigated it.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Jun 27, 2020 4:13:35 GMT
Hi all, Just to add some perspective to this,over the years I have spoken and negotiated with a great many film collectors. Quite a few are personal friends. I've heard just about every reason you could imagine for not either returning, selling or loaning out a film. When something (anything) is part of a collection, it has a place. It's a part of the whole. For my collector friends that were dealers, most didn't care for that argument. They were passionate about the subject and offered a service to other enthusiasts. It's those enthusiasts who cherish the content. But I can tell you now that the worst thing that has happened in the world of 16mm film collecting is the interest in archive TV. Most film collectors regard TV prints as poor quality fillers, a support film at best that they will tolerate because of its content. The fact that most archive TV prints are black and white is one of the reasons they are not well regarded amongst collectors. However, the interest in old TV prints has done several things and most of them aren't good. The first is that it has driven up the price of this material. On top of that, there has been an increase in interest for this type of content from 'outsiders', people who are not film collectors but just interested in the his particular content. These people are not liked by collectors because they tend to be quite pushy and show no interest in the hobby: they are seen as scalpers. Because of that, expect to pay through the nose if you don't show empathy with collectors. The argument that collectors with missing shows such as Doctor Who in their collections should make them available for the greater good doesn't wash with true 16mm enthusiasts and it doesn't help when people accuse collectors who sell their films on Ebay of depriving the nation of the content. This is nonsense. The nation was deprived of the content when the broadcasters threw it away. It's one of the reasons I don't put any pressure on collectors because in the end, they will always, rightly or wrongly in others eyes, do what they think is right for them. Paul Hi Paul: Thanks for your comments. I'm curious if you happen to be aware of what these six episodes are that Mr. Morris is referencing. If so, are these different episodes than the two episodes in private hands (from what you could determine) that you have mentioned in the past? On the other hand, are the two you mentioned among those six that Phil Morris has in mind? Best wishes, Doug
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Sept 30, 2019 4:16:36 GMT
Frazer also replied in the comment thread twice. Yes, that Frazer.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Aug 24, 2019 16:54:22 GMT
Recreating a Bluray version from original 35 mm elements would be more economically feasible if Paul McGann were to return to the role of the Eighth Doctor on television somehow.
And I would like to see that happen!
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Apr 16, 2019 4:46:41 GMT
David is also a textbook example of someone who actually recovered a copy of Planet of the Giants Episode 3 in Spanish, so maybe it is one and the same print we are talking about here. As perhaps the previous owner, David would be particularly well informed.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 17, 2018 5:27:24 GMT
I'm totally confused now. I thought some of this was found in Monaco? I think that you're confused because Douglas has muddied the water rather by attempting to simplify things. He failed. Well, I very often fail. However, in this instance, I think it indeed is confusing information. For example, it was clarified here that there were actually two copies of that Basil Brush episode with the Kinks: one found in Nigeria in 2013 and one found more recently. However, on The One Show, Phil Morris stated: "One of the classics that I found that I actually love was the 1968 Basil Brush Show, which is the only copy that exists. And the special guests are The Kinks, singing 'Days' live on stage." From what he said, it sounded as if there was only one print in existence. Well, if there were indeed only one print, that would have had to have been the find that was disclosed back in 2013. However, he actually found two copies of this episode (one incomplete).
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 16, 2018 6:48:08 GMT
Very interesting. First off it's great regardless that we are getting more animated episodes regardless of length, but that length is rather strange. Do we know if it just the first ten minutes of the first episode of Wheel or an abridged 10 minute version of episode 1? If it's the former, I find it really odd that they would only choose to animate the first ten minutes of the story with no plans on animating the rest. If it's the latter then that does leave open an new possibility for what they might be planning, that instead of a full animated reconstruction, they only do a condensed animated reconstruction (the missing episode only having about 10 minutes of animation per episode) while including a full telesnap only reconstruction on the DVD as well, basically a reverse of what they did with the Ice Warriors DVD, which had the animated episodes at full episode length while the telesnap reconstruction was the condensed version. And if that were the case as well as a potential Macra Terror reconstruction possibly in the works, then that would work out to be around 6 episodes of animation, roughly the same length as the Power of the Daleks animated reconstruction. But then again this is just speculation on my end. The two still pictures released from the animated mini-episode depict situations found in the first four minutes or so of episode 1.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 14, 2018 14:12:09 GMT
I think you've reversed the Basil Brush finds. First Nigeria, edited. Then unknown, complete. Oh yes, thank you. I got that backwards. I was still able to edit my post above, so I made the correction.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 14, 2018 5:00:49 GMT
It is interesting that from just these nine episodes, duplicate copies of at least two of them were found. In fact, a very poor quality recording of My Old Man's A Tory existed in the archives, so that's three copies of that one, I believe.
It seems hopeful to me that multiple copies of some of these finds were located.
Missing episodes of things can indeed exist out there in the world somewhere, such as at Monaco Television or in a cinema in Sierra Leone, so if someone makes the effort to go and search, missing episodes could indeed be located.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 14, 2018 4:52:12 GMT
OK, let me revise.
Kaleidoscope neither found nor got access to any of this.
One copy of Steptoe and Son episode My Old Man's A Tory remains in private hands, but the copyright holders (the BBC) have access to it.
Kaleidoscope described "a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows" in private hands, but there is a different collection with "a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows" and the copyright holders have access to that other collection. The exact titles will be made known later, but there is at least one episode of the Rag Trade in this accessible private collection.
Phil Morris found and returned ...
1. a second print of that same Steptoe and Son episode My Old Man's A Tory - source unknown 2. a different episode of The Rag Trade - source unknown 3. 1 episode of Citizen James - found at Monaco Television 4. Harry Worth 1 - source unknown 5. Harry Worth 2 - source unknown 6. Harry Worth 3 - source unknown - these are three consecutive episodes of Harry Worth 7. Morcambe and Wise 1 - Found in a cinema in Sierra Leone 8. Morcambe and Wise 2 - Found in a cinema in Sierra Leone 9. 1 episode of Basil Brush (with the Kinks). Phil Morris found this episode on two occasions: first, he found it in an edited format in Nigeria and revealed this in 2013; then, he found it in an unedited format from an unknown source and has revealed it now.
These were announced on the One Show and Phil will present some of this and talk about it at MBW.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 13, 2018 14:24:05 GMT
OK, thanks.
So, to attempt to summarize, as I understand it, we have the "booklet" list and the "cinema" list.
Kaleidoscope found:
1. Steptoe and Son episode My Old Man's A Tory in private hands and got access to it.
Kaleidoscope was also aware of "a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows" in private hands but could not retrieve it at the time, but now it can:
2. Sykes (one or more?) 3. The Rag Trade (at least one unidentified episode) 4. The Black and White Minstrel Show
... and more in a sizeable amount of BBC comedy shows yet to be identified. However, happily, this "booklet" collection is now in another private collection and available. In other words, all of these are available, and that's really good news.
Separate to the "booklet" list, Phil Morris found nine episodes in Sierra Leone in a movie theater. The Sierra Leone "cinema" list is:
1. a different print of that same Steptoe and Son from the "booklet" list — My Old Man's A Tory (it never rains, but it pours!) 2. a different episode of The Rag Trade (with the "booklet" list, that makes two different episodes found) 3. 1 episode of Citizen James 4. Harry Worth 1 5. Harry Worth 2 6. Harry Worth 3 (these are three consecutive episodes) 7. Morcambe and Wise 1 8. Morcambe and Wise 2 9. 1 episode of Basil Brush (with the Kinks)
These were announced on the One Show and Phil will present some of this and talk about it at MBW.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 13, 2018 4:54:33 GMT
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 8, 2018 6:00:31 GMT
I anticipate that it might very well be shown approximately from 17:35 to 17:45 (assuming that segments during the event keep to their scheduled times).
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 8, 2018 5:55:05 GMT
I don't think this 10-minute animation is a bizarre thing at all. I am sure it will be extremely entertaining and will serve a useful purpose.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Nov 4, 2018 20:29:29 GMT
'The Macra Terror' looks very hopeful then for a DVD release. Likely animated and sadly not found. Nevermind, we have the original soundtrack and I love animations anyway. It seems confirmed and not just hopeful. I just pre-ordered my copy of The Macra Terror DVD. Yesterday, I pre-ordered my copy of The Wheel in Space DVD. I'm expecting to receive them ... ? ? ? ... eventually.
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