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Post by R. Williams on Oct 2, 2023 20:35:04 GMT
👍 The next thing is to ascertain whether that telecine reel survives. It doesn't: the footage we have survives only in the Blue Peter episodes themselves. Several of the BP-sourced clips crossfade to/from the presenters in studio, so fractionally more footage exists than is generally seen, albeit obscured.
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Post by R. Williams on Jul 14, 2022 2:42:01 GMT
It's well worth checking out this video from the Missing Episodes Podcast if you'd like to know the full details - as they currently stand - regarding Ethiopia:
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Post by R. Williams on Sept 10, 2016 12:56:48 GMT
Total non-starter. PAL DVD resolution is 720x576, making 414720 individual pixels to get right. Grayscale images permit 256 different shades, so this means there are a total of 256 414720 possible different frames. This is an incomprehensibly large number, and the Sun will expand and destroy the earth before humanity could even make a fraction of a dent in it. Of course this assumes that you just generate the frames randomly, but it gives you a sense of the scale of the problem. Don't forget that there are about 37500 frames which make up a 25 minute episode. However, it is possible to interpolate between consecutive telesnaps from the same shot (credit to The Chris of Fenric):
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Post by R. Williams on Oct 27, 2015 23:18:17 GMT
I did, and I have a copy of it here - it doesn't say that the episodes were found in late 2012, nor that they were returned to BBC as soon as they were recovered. Not sure why you are suggesting otherwise. You've just got your hands on decades old cans of rare, probably unique, film that is clearly in need of urgent TLC - read the article - and what do you do with it ? (1) You get it to someone like Paul Vanezis asap. (2) You stick it in your sock drawer. Get real ! I'm just going to refer you to my post a couple of pages ago and hope that you aren't wilfully ignoring it: Take a listen to the audio recordings of Phil's convention appearance www.doctorwhonews.net/2015/09/more-details-about-discovery-and-loss.htmlHere's a transcript of what is said at around the 18 minute mark of the Saturday Panel: Interviewer - "How big a lead time was there between you finding the episodes in Nigeria and announcing it?" Philip Morris - "Ok, no problem. Well you can understand what the delay was about - episode three. These were initially found - and that's me in Jos station locating them - at the end of 2011. A further year went by, we were trying to get hold of three." What more evidence do you need to concede that they were found in late 2011?
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Post by R. Williams on Oct 21, 2015 19:59:51 GMT
There's nothing to suggest that Phil returned the films to the BBC as soon as they arrived in the UK. Once he discovered that Web 3 was missing, he set about trying to get hold of it. Take a listen to the audio recordings of Phil's convention appearance www.doctorwhonews.net/2015/09/more-details-about-discovery-and-loss.htmlHere's a transcript of what is said at around the 18 minute mark of the Saturday Panel: Interviewer - "How big a lead time was there between you finding the episodes in Nigeria and announcing it?" Philip Morris - "Ok, no problem. Well you can understand what the delay was about - episode three. These were initially found - and that's me in Jos station locating them - at the end of 2011. A further year went by, we were trying to get hold of three." They were found towards the end of 2011. Case closed.
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Post by R. Williams on May 14, 2014 16:07:24 GMT
I really hope they include the fragmentary audio recordings from episodes such as "The Prophet" and "Get Off My Cloud" and the Australian censor clips!
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Post by R. Williams on Apr 6, 2014 23:15:57 GMT
Michael Leeston-Smith is dead (according to Toby Hadoke on another forum). He didn't say when he had died.
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Post by R. Williams on Jan 31, 2014 17:02:38 GMT
It all depends upon how far advanced the preparation of the DVD is - and when PV was told. However, there's a major documentary on the Troughton years and, assuming that you're not past the deadline, four missing episodes from WoF turn up. It's one of the most important stories in the history of the series..... As regards NDAs, I have a vague recollection - that I can't easily substantiate - that the RT weren't subject to anything like that. It looks as if I may have to repeat myself here, but the documentary would NOT have been a priority for PV, PM, BBCWW or indeed anyone except Dan Hall, as it was his company Pup Ltd. which commissioned the documentary. We know Dan Hall wasn't officially privvy to the details of the recovery until about 4/6 weeks before the announcement, so even if they were returned some time before The Krotons was released, he would have been blissfully ignorant. Paul's priority (not that I want to speak for him of course), it would seem, is to maximise the publicity garnered by the recoveries. This is evidenced by his holding back of Airlock and UWM 2 for MBW. What better opportunity to spread the word about missing TV than the 50th anniversary, when Doctor Who related stories were all over the news? Worldwide, as a commercial arm of the BBC will have one overriding priority, sales. The sales boost generated by the timing of the announcement and the fact that the episodes were instantly available will have been far, far more important to them than releasing poor quality clips straight away, us having to wait and excitement dying down as they are prepared for a full release later on. Just look at how UWM 2 has been handled, they're bound to have lost some profit due to it leaking onto YouTube/Dailymotion. I believe Steve Roberts may have said that the RT weren't under any NDAs, but the point still stands: the BBC thought the information was commercially sensitive enough to make Dan Hall sign an NDA a mere 4 weeks or so before the announcement. It's plausible, nay reasonable, to believe that they would have kept the episodes under wraps for a good deal of time, had they in fact been returned in 2012.
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Post by R. Williams on Jan 31, 2014 12:47:28 GMT
There is nothing flawed with my reasoning ! Is there any evidence for NDAs ? It's the sort of thing that has been talked about, but that's all. Nobody even knows what, if any, arrangement Philip Morris has with the BBC - Steve Roberts recently confirmed that. As regards EotW/WoF we have the dates when Paul Vanezis did the initial work on the prints and he tells us that he was the first person, outside Philip Morris' immediate family, to learn about the return. There has been a lot of speculation about PM negotiating for a "cut", etc - and that's possible. It's also possible that he just handed over the prints - we know that they're now held by the BBC - to PV and said "How quickly can you get these restored so that everybody can enjoy them ?" Not everybody out there is money grubbing. Your reasoning with regards to the documentary being evidence that the episodes were not returned is flawed. Consider the reasons I've outlined plus the fact that to alter the documentary at the last minute would necessitate a long release delay (the people who work on the DVD range are always telling us how long in advance the material needs to be ready), and incur a great expense (scanning of the film, re-editing of the documentary, plus a brand new DVD master, test discs and the scrapping of any copies already produced). Quite clearly IF the episodes had been returned in Spring 2012, the documentary would not have factored into Philip Morris & co's decision one iota. Dan Hall has confirmed that he was made to sign an NDA, and was liable for up £15 million in the event that he should break it. He was also under the impression that some of the RT were under NDAs, and told an anecdote of how he hid in a toilet to avoid bumping in to them! (Link here: www.radiofreeskaro.com/2013/12/08/radio-free-skaro-396-the-great-canadian-wheat-plains-are-safe/)Ok so Paul Vanezis was the first person to be told outside of Phil's family, but he could quite plausibly have been told well before the prints were physically returned. We know that Paul has been fairly involved with the search, and presumably was kept reasonably well informed as it progressed. This anecdote provides no timescale and so is useless to confirm/deny our suppositions. In fact, we know no dates in relation to the discovery and return of the prints beyond the date when Paul was given possession of them.
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Post by R. Williams on Jan 31, 2014 2:19:38 GMT
Well, I see that the rabid conspiracy theorists are, unfortunately, still, here What reason could be "more important than a DVD documentary" ? We're talking about prints from a 60s B&W children's TV programme - not something covered by the Official Secrets Act or the thirty years rule ! There isn't anything, that will stand up to scrutiny, that makes the return of EotW/WoF in Spring 2013 the most likely explanation. In what way am I a "rapid conspiracy theorist"? If you'll notice I didn't actually state my stance on when I think the episodes were returned, but merely commented on your flawed reasoning. Well the BBC obviously seem to disagree with you there, considering the NDAs some individuals are confirmed to have signed on the matter. For a start, maximum financial exploitation of any returned episodes would be a far greater priority than immediate fan service. Why didn't they announce the discovery of the William Hartnell interview years ago when there are so many documentaries within the DVD range which could have included it, for example? The answer: it was a shrewd commercial decision and also a wonderful surprise on a very important and special story release. A 50th anniversary tie-in and promising sales potential are viable reasons for withholding the episodes. I really don't see why you are holding up this documentary as a pinnacle of importance. I don't doubt that they were only returned to the BBC in Spring 2013, but even considering the logistics behind the acquisition of the film prints, negotiations with the BBC etc. we must be looking at their initial discovery being a good deal earlier than the date work started on them.
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Post by R. Williams on Jan 31, 2014 0:32:49 GMT
Well, let's look at some dates. According to www.comparethedalek.com/dvd/dvd-2nddoctor.aspx the Krotons was released on 2 July 2012. On that is a rather good, imho, documentary on the Troughton years. So if PV had learnt about and done the initial work on EotW/WoF in the Spring of any year prior to 2013 why wasn't more/better footage from those stories included in that documentary ? If, hypothetically, EotW/WoF had been returned in the Spring of 2012 there were still several months to rejig the documentary which might have meant pushing the release of the Krotons back a little.... If they'd been returned in the Spring of 2011 there's even more time. The simple application of Occam's excellent shaving implement suggests that EotW/WoF were returned to the UK and PV did his initial work in the Spring of 2013. Finally, are there more people from TIEA than Philip Morris actually out there searching ? There's a post somewhere from, iirc, PV to the effect that PM started searching in 2007 or 8. In the absence of further information I suspect he's a one man band - it's extremely unlikely that there's a dozen out there. I'm sorry but your argument is invalid. Let's assume that Enemy and Web were returned in Spring 2012 (or earlier). For them to have been kept quiet until October 2013 must have been due to some reason more important than a DVD documentary. Therefore IF they were returned in Spring 2012 (or earlier), then there WAS a good enough reason to not reveal them and the documentary is inconsequential. Secondly, Dan Hall was not "in the loop" about the recovery until (IIRC) ~6 weeks before the announcement. So if they had been returned in Spring 2012, the people working on the DVD range would not have been aware of it or would even have been able to consider including clips on the documentary. Also, the recovery of the episodes was not announced soon after they were returned to the BBC, indeed several months passed while they restored them and planned an announcement in order to make a massive press splash with the immediate post-announcement iTunes release. So why then, if they were returned in Spring 2012, would they hurriedly insert short, poor quality clips into a bonus feature for a niche DVD release that will probably sell only a fraction of the amount of the iTunes downloads? A hastily cobbled press package to accompany such a release wouldn't garner nearly so much attention from the news media as what they were given in October.
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Post by R. Williams on Jun 13, 2013 17:26:12 GMT
The article says "expect to see Evil Of The Daleks" but this was never screened in Africa according to BroaDWcast.
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Post by R. Williams on May 27, 2013 22:10:11 GMT
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Post by R. Williams on Mar 19, 2013 15:51:21 GMT
Does anyone know if the telesnaps for "The War Machines" cover any of the missing footage from episodes 3/4?
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Post by R. Williams on Mar 6, 2013 20:41:55 GMT
None of the box sets contain versions without narration unfortunately. A select few of the individual releases did though, I believe Marco Polo was also one of them but I don't know whether any others did.
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