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Post by garysrothwellx on Apr 21, 2014 12:52:38 GMT
Yes simon, spotted that years ago......... Works well tho..... I knew you would have, Shelly  The alien who comes to a gruesome end at the start of the Brain of Morbius is a recycled Mutt from The Mutants. Has anyone spotted any other recycled monsters? The Axon / Krynoid was also replicated in the action figures.... the two are exactly the same, just different colours... i think thats where i first noticed! On the Mutt in BoM - i think its actually stated to be the same creature from the Mutants, or maybe i need o re-watch... |
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Post by Simon Jailler on Apr 21, 2014 13:11:44 GMT
Tom / Fourth Doctor does refer to it as a "Mutt" but if you've seen The Mutants, you'd find it unlikely to find them travelling through space crewing a spacecraft or handling a blaster. I don't think The doctor would denigrate a Solonian like that either. Everything else in Who though is of course thoroughly believable  And how bloody good was The Daleks on Horror channel this AM? |
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Post by andyc on Apr 21, 2014 16:58:19 GMT
And how bloody good was The Daleks on Horror channel this AM? The climax of episode 1 has to be one of the greatest in the shows history. A terrified Barbara being pursued by something. Eerie noises and great spooky camerawork. And then a glimpse of ...... what? A weapon? A plunger? What could this be? And Barbara screams....fade to black. Fantastic. And not a timey-wimey thing to be seen anywhere. Take note BBC. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Apr 21, 2014 17:57:46 GMT
And how bloody good was The Daleks on Horror channel this AM? The climax of episode 1 has to be one of the greatest in the shows history. A terrified Barbara being pursued by something. Eerie noises and great spooky camerawork. And then a glimpse of ...... what? A weapon? A plunger? What could this be? And Barbara screams....fade to black. Fantastic. And not a timey-wimey thing to be seen anywhere. Take note BBC. And the story just gets better and better as it progresses-the city of the Daleks,the Thals' pacificism,Ian's efforts to persuade them to fight for him and the Daleks realization that they can no longer live without radiation.A classic and mature piece of science fiction,shot through with the real threat of nuclear armageddon that pervaded post-war society at the time. |
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Post by charles drummel on Apr 21, 2014 18:06:30 GMT
I think that the Horror Channel showings would have made an ideal platform to show WOF.A cable channel obscure enough and specialist enough to introduce tele - snap recons to a wider audience and Web is true horror in the classic sense of the genre. Come to mention it, Time Warrior and Planet of the Spiders also fit the bill perfectly! If it were complete, then maybe, but showing 25 minutes of screengrabs would be ratings suicide, and for a channel like Horror, whose ratings are already fairly weeny, it would be madness. I was just thinking about this. The only ways to do it would be either to skip the recon or, perhaps, to show it at some ungodly morning hour. Truly interested fans could DVR it, and the rest might not notice its absence. What is the restoration state of the episodes? Are they showing the RT-cleaned DVD episodes? |
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Post by Rob Moss on Apr 21, 2014 18:49:56 GMT
I caught an episode of The Daleks this afternoon, and it was the cleaned up, VidFIREd version, albeit looking fairly rubbish due to the channel's low bitrate. Certainly the end credits were the reconstructed ones.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Apr 21, 2014 20:40:40 GMT
I think the significant thing about 'The Daleks' today was down to several key points:
1) 'The Pacing' - how logical the pacing was - in 'The Dead Planet' they only featured the regular cast (as essentially in 'An Unearthly Child', 'Edge of Destruction' episode one of 'Dalek Invasion of Earth' 'The Web Planet', 'The Space Museum' etc - and a few memorable times later on in the show's history such as; 'The Mind Robber', 'Android Invasion' etc) thus we really see it from the angle of the Tardis crew & look at all the sci fi detail re the food machine etc - making life onboard the Tardis more realistic, the story is very carefully constructed and plenty of scope is given for clashes between the regulars, agreements, sympathetic Babara helping The Doctor by talking to Susan etc, making the characters & their situation all the more credible and real to us etc...
Actor Mark Stricson (Turlough) once when viewing an early episode in a magazine feature marvelled at the length of the 'on camera' time the regular cast had back then....'it's sheer theatre' he enthused - they would NEVER let us have the scope to act like that now...!
2 ) The Setting' - Look at that 'petrified forest' set - we might later marvel at the excellent 'Planet of Evil' set but it's forerunner was that detailed forest....yes the Dalek city was an obvious model city, but the forest was done superbly, and we again get a view of it from inside the Tardis console room...creating a true sense of the Tardis actually being on that planet
3) a) The 'Threat' angle - The Daleks aren't even IN the first episode (as they don't need to be) - just a Dalek 'plunger' as the camera itself is the lone Dalek approaching a terrified Barbara which is quite enough - you just HAD to watch next week ! (a real 'cliffhanger' here...not just a close up of a 'worried Doctor's face' as from Pertwee onwards became far too often the norm and with poor old Slyv McCoy looked particularly silly !)
3) b) The Subtle 'hint of menace' - first just to US the viewers, from the console radiation counter WE have seen reading 'danger' & flashing...but we know to which the Tardis crew are still oblivious, on to a 'petrified forest' that crumbles on touch, to an alien creature that is dead, but was made of metal, then the light 'touch' on Susan's shoulder that the others, especially The Doctor, just dismiss as imagination, then one by one they begin to feel unwell (an idea copied much later in 'Caves of Androzani' re the spectrox), as the crew get deeper and deeper into a fix- while we see observation wall cameras 'following' them as they walk through the city corridors...
and once The Daleks are in the story - four of 'em not zillions of CGI ones we know will all vanish etc - look how co-ordinated the guys operating them are, plus the two guys doing the Dalek voices, these people KNOW how to make a few 'oversized pepper pots' into figures of fear...as a generation of scared kids head off around the sofas of Britian...
NEVER is any of this thrust at us with Murray Gold style OTT muzak and choir, or any BIG Hollywooden 'mega' CGI jeopardy etc, but just a smouldering gradual build up of very real menace & danger most of which the regulars are quite oblivious too UNTIL Barbara's encounter...and then when The Doctor, Susan, & Ian suddenly find themselves surrounded by Daleks....
the intelligent build up of the story is expertly done, Moffat & co could learn SO MUCH from just putting the subtlety & dramatic atmsophere back into the show
I never buy this absurd line: 'oh you couldn't do that on TV now'- an argument which is simply utter nonsense - of course you COULD !, with strong dramatic actors and writers/directors on top of their game it would be perfectly possible to create a logically paced atmospheric storyline full of menace and strong drama that could hold the attention and entertain the viewer IF it was done well with thought and perception - and without silly OTT musak, ham acting, and silly mega fast 'zappy' styled pacing...
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 3, 2014 21:25:14 GMT
You can get the horror channel on free sat at no cost. The freesat box you can get for 50. I noticed the degraded quality on the sea devils, I wonder if they will show the better version from the scratched quad for episode 5. I wonder if the original pal tapes will turn up.
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Post by Will Weller on May 4, 2014 14:14:09 GMT
I saw the four part version of Attack of the Cybermen a few weeks back. Wasn't too pleased with the edits of cutting the episodes in half.
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 4, 2014 20:40:58 GMT
I am just watching The Daemons. I predicts a future BBC3 with stupid presenters dumbing things down for the audience.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 4, 2014 21:36:57 GMT
I am just watching The Daemons. I predicts a future BBC3 with stupid presenters dumbing things down for the audience. I love that line from Professor Horner in response to the dumb presenter's request-'I'll do my best to be absolutely super!' Love it!  |
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Post by Marie Griffiths on May 4, 2014 22:00:43 GMT
The plot has obviously been ripped off by Steven King in Under the Dome but instead of shooting each other the English go Morris dancing.
. It does go abit Wickerman. The quality of episode 4 is noticeably better in episode 4. Its a pity the rest were lost in broadcast quality but the restoration looks excellent considering the source material of a NTSC off air recording and black and white 16mm.
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Post by Marie Griffiths on Jul 6, 2014 10:56:20 GMT
I just saw the Curse of Fenwick on the Horror Channel. It seemed very low budget and the plot was all over the place, they were trying to wrap things up I reckon as they knew the show was ending. I heard there was a re-editted longer version, was that this one?
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Post by andyc on Jul 6, 2014 12:33:26 GMT
I was also thinking of reviving this thread, just to say a big thank-you to the Horror Channel for still showing the classic series, way beyond what was originally advertised. I'd have liked to have seen some more B&W stories, but just the fact that I can switch on the TV and watch Earthshock or The Brain of Morbius etc etc is good enough for me.
Makes a refreshing change from those stupid programmes which are sometimes on, where people just fall over, it all gets caught on camera and then they get paid hundreds of pounds into the bargain, with a ridiculous hysterical audience. What's it called again? Oh yeah - The World Cup.
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Post by Paul G on Jul 6, 2014 13:22:14 GMT
I just saw the Curse of Fenwick on the Horror Channel. It seemed very low budget and the plot was all over the place, they were trying to wrap things up I reckon as they knew the show was ending. I heard there was a re-editted longer version, was that this one? They showed the original broacast version of Fenric. The reason the plot's all over the place is so much had to be edited out. It's not really anything to do with the show being wrapped up, and more to do with poor script editing. The VHS release reinstated much and the DVD release has a slightly different special edition version. They make a hell of a lot more sense, and the DVD version in particular is fantastic. |
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