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Post by Simon Jailler on Mar 21, 2014 7:39:54 GMT
As has been mentioned before, many of us watched the old stories without knowing how many episodes they had. In my case, this left me wondering each week if the Doctor would save the world in the next 25 minutes, and could he please hurry up so I didn't have to wait until next Saturday. Evil Of The Daleks 7 is the earliest missing episode I recall in any detail. The Dalek battle had a slapstick quality, with explosions of "porridge" and bits of Daleks flying off. We kids thought it was funny, anyway. Anyone else remember it like this? That's 3 of us on this thread whose earliest memories are from Evil, and speaking to a fellow fanatic a few years ago, he confirmed that his oldest memory is from Evil too (the end of E7, like yours Sue). Obviously a very impressionable story! My memories from Evil (when I'd just turned 5) are: - E1: The Tardis being driven away on the back of a truck - E1: Doctor/Jamie hiding behind petrol pumps (and being watched, I think) - I recall being upset at a Dalek blasting someone. It was the special effects that scared me and I'm pretty sure it was from the start of E2 - Jamie & Kemel wrestling and Jamie establishing that he can't speak - I have a vague recollection of a Dalek downstairs talking to a man upstairs on the landing - is there a scene in Evil where that may happens, can anyone confirm? (Could be a false memory.) For stories to be rediscovered, Evil is definitely top of my list ... but I'm hardly unique in that respect! Thanks for sharing Andy. The telesnaps/photo story for Evil on the BBC Classic Doctor Who website might help jog your memory. These telesnaps alone convince me Evil was a genuine classic.
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Post by pelham cort on Mar 21, 2014 8:23:34 GMT
As has been mentioned before, many of us watched the old stories without knowing how many episodes they had. In my case, this left me wondering each week if the Doctor would save the world in the next 25 minutes, and could he please hurry up so I didn't have to wait until next Saturday. Evil Of The Daleks 7 is the earliest missing episode I recall in any detail. The Dalek battle had a slapstick quality, with explosions of "porridge" and bits of Daleks flying off. We kids thought it was funny, anyway. Anyone else remember it like this? That's 3 of us on this thread whose earliest memories are from Evil, and speaking to a fellow fanatic a few years ago, he confirmed that his oldest memory is from Evil too (the end of E7, like yours Sue). Obviously a very impressionable story! My memories from Evil (when I'd just turned 5) are: - E1: The Tardis being driven away on the back of a truck - E1: Doctor/Jamie hiding behind petrol pumps (and being watched, I think) - I recall being upset at a Dalek blasting someone. It was the special effects that scared me and I'm pretty sure it was from the start of E2 - Jamie & Kemel wrestling and Jamie establishing that he can't speak - I have a vague recollection of a Dalek downstairs talking to a man upstairs on the landing - is there a scene in Evil where that may happens, can anyone confirm? (Could be a false memory.) For stories to be rediscovered, Evil is definitely top of my list ... but I'm hardly unique in that respect! I think the dalek was talking to Victoria waterfeild(who was on the landing).
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Post by Greg H on Mar 21, 2014 9:00:53 GMT
Earliest memory of 60s who? Unearthly child episode one. Not on original broadcast, but when it was repeated in the 1980s on BBC television. The first episode was and still is stunning; the next three lack it's ethereal quality though
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Post by Arthur Chim on Mar 21, 2014 10:06:16 GMT
I think Patrick Troughton's era was a golden period of Doctor Who where many of the stories being 'behind the sofa stuff' to young viewers with adversaries such as Daleks, Cybermen, Ice Warriors and Yeti.
I was 5 years old when ABC TV (Australia) did a repeat run of Hartnell / Troughton stories in 1968. There was a scene I recall where Hartnell's doctor was coming out of a Dalek and did not make sense to me as a child. I know now that it was from The Space Museum.
I saw the regeneration from Hartnell to Troughton (not sure if it was from The Tenth Planet or The Power Of The Daleks). Definitely remember The Power Of The Daleks for the production line scene, seeing the Dalek casings moving along to have the mutated creatures placed in them and their dome tops lowered. How I wish it isn't a missing story.
Cybermen from 'Tomb' and 'Moonbase' looked frightening to me with their expressionless faces, eyes covered in fine mesh and letterbox slit for mouths.
Re-watching The Web Of Fear recently brought back fond memories and gives those who have not seen much 60's Doctor Who a taste of the type of stories that were produced during the classic era of the program.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Mar 21, 2014 11:38:02 GMT
I would very much like to see more of Evil Of The Daleks. Whitaker's Daleks are devilish. They lure people with promises of knowledge, and steal their souls. Maxtible's temptation with the power to transmute elements, and his conversion to a human Dalek is the other scene in Evil 7 I never forgot.
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Mar 21, 2014 11:38:56 GMT
I vividly remember watching An Unearthly Child on first transmission : I was 4 years old. I also remember watching it again the next week, when it was repeated : my dad saying "This is the same as last week" in disgust.
When anyone trots out the old "Everyone remembers where they were when Kennedy was assassinated" line, I always reply with "I don't ; but I know where I was the evening of the day after!"
I have seen every episode since, apart from The Space Pirates story ( we gave in to my mum's desire to watch Land of the Giants for a few weeks : they clashed in the Anglia / BBC East region). I have since seen the one existing episode of SP on the Lost in Time DVD, leaving just the other 5 eps unseen. Well, actually, I've seen the 1st 5 mins of Ep 1, before we had to switch over!
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Post by Simon Jailler on Mar 21, 2014 12:36:27 GMT
Earliest memory of 60s who? Unearthly child episode one. Not on original broadcast, but when it was repeated in the 1980s on BBC television. The first episode was and still is stunning; the next three lack it's ethereal quality though In the first story, they completely nailed the sense of "where the heck are we going?" and the crew being constantly under threat in unfamiliar surroundings. By and large, life thereafter got a bit more relaxed in terms of how the crew (and their successors) reacted to new surroundings in each new story. You've reminded me Greg about how that first episode and story is an overlooked gem (certainly be me) - that should have dawned on me when I watched the excellent "Adventures in Time and Space" which stirred my sense of nostalgia for the very early years under Bill Hartnell.
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Post by John Grimshaw on Mar 21, 2014 15:36:56 GMT
The first episode of Doctor Who was repeated on my 13th birthday, so I'm almost the ideal age to have become a Who fan. I'm pretty sure I saw all the missing episodes at the time of first broadcast, as I was fanatical about catching them at the time. Family holidays had to be arranged so that I could be sure of seeing Doctor Who every Saturday.
My best memories of the lost episodes are of Marco Polo, which was the very best of the first season as far as I am concerned. I particularly remember that moment in the last episode where the Emperor and Hartnell bond over their shared old age. It was a very moving moment.
The other series that mean a lot to me as a result of memories are The Keys of Marinus, where I remember specific scenes that I relived when the DVD became available, the Celestial Toymaker (which I think will be regarded as far stronger if the rumours are correct and the whole thing is seen again). I think the strength of Toymaker lies in the fact it was slightly surreal, in the same way as The Mind Robber. It took place in its own space-time continuum.
Despite the general opinion now of The Web Planet, at the time it seemed a very strong series. I found it to be one of the most memorable of the first Doctor period. I can also remember specific scenes from the lost episodes of The Crusades.
I also think The Time Meddler was one of the very strongest of serials. That wonderful moment where they discover the plainsong chanting is on a gramophone record is something I will never forget from the first broadcast occasion.
The Abominable Snowmen is a series I remember with much fondness. I much preferred it to the re-run with the Yeti in Web of Fear because of the exotic setting.
There are some serials that I would have seen that have left no specific memories with me. While I clearly remember I saw things like The Myth Makers and the Highlanders, there are several serials I have no memories of, such as The Wheel in Space or The Savages.
But these early years certainly got me hooked. I can't understand how some fans of the classic series don't appreciate the new series. To my mind some of the very greatest Who episodes have been in the new series. I don't have any problem in regarding the whole period of 1963 to 2014 as a complete continuum.
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Post by andyeves on Mar 21, 2014 15:56:51 GMT
That's 3 of us on this thread whose earliest memories are from Evil, and speaking to a fellow fanatic a few years ago, he confirmed that his oldest memory is from Evil too (the end of E7, like yours Sue). Obviously a very impressionable story! My memories from Evil (when I'd just turned 5) are: - E1: The Tardis being driven away on the back of a truck - E1: Doctor/Jamie hiding behind petrol pumps (and being watched, I think) - I recall being upset at a Dalek blasting someone. It was the special effects that scared me and I'm pretty sure it was from the start of E2 - Jamie & Kemel wrestling and Jamie establishing that he can't speak - I have a vague recollection of a Dalek downstairs talking to a man upstairs on the landing - is there a scene in Evil where that may happens, can anyone confirm? (Could be a false memory.) For stories to be rediscovered, Evil is definitely top of my list ... but I'm hardly unique in that respect! I think the dalek was talking to Victoria waterfeild(who was on the landing). Thanks for the confirmation. It's likely it is a genuine memory then but slightly out ... not for the first time. I remembered that famous scene near the end of Tomb, of a cyberman having its chest unit ripped out, but my memory was that Jamie was responsible. I believe that Mary Whitehouse complained about that cyberman scene. Maybe she had a point as it obviously made an impression on me! (I was 5-and-a-half at the time.)
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Post by Patrick Coles on Mar 21, 2014 16:01:42 GMT
Nothing wrong with 'The Web Planet' John (Grimshaw above posting) - never mind what too vocal 'fanboys' might say !!
it's all only opinions anyway, and some 'Golden era' tales fanboys so love and won't have a word said against can equally be 'pulled apart' if one chooses to do so...
for the sheer imagination of the production, the eerie first episode (another just featuring the regular cast) and the 'alien planet' sets, camera work/effects, & costumes alone - plus an interesting story angle re takeover by an outside evil influence corrupting a native species & enslaving another, the tale is in exactly the same vein as many 'Classic' much lauded later colour era stories...
after all a Zarbi is no sillier than a Wirrn or a Tractator...is it ?
the idea of the Tardis being 'dragged down' to Vortis and unable to dematerialise is fascinating too - like it being covered in webbing in Time/Space in 'The Web of Fear', dying from a power drain in 'Death To The Daleks' or being geographically dispersed in 'Frontios' etc...
so enjoy your 'Web Planet' John (& others too) without feeling you must in any way 'allow' for it etc ...and never mind what those know all 'fanboys' think or say !
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Post by Simon Jailler on Mar 21, 2014 18:34:24 GMT
Nothing wrong with 'The Web Planet' John (Grimshaw above posting) - never mind what too vocal 'fanboys' might say !! it's all only opinions anyway, and some 'Golden era' tales fanboys so love and won't have a word said against can equally be 'pulled apart' if one chooses to do so... for the sheer imagination of the production, the eerie first episode (another just featuring the regular cast) and the 'alien planet' sets, camera work/effects, & costumes alone - plus an interesting story angle re takeover by an outside evil influence corrupting a native species & enslaving another, the tale is in exactly the same vein as many 'Classic' much lauded later colour era stories... after all a Zarbi is no sillier than a Wirrn or a Tractator...is it ? the idea of the Tardis being 'dragged down' to Vortis and unable to dematerialise is fascinating too - like it being covered in webbing in Time/Space in 'The Web of Fear', dying from a power drain in 'Death To The Daleks' or being geographically dispersed in 'Frontios' etc... so enjoy your 'Web Planet' John (& others too) without feeling you must in any way 'allow' for it etc ...and never mind what those know all 'fanboys' think or say ! I love the Web Planet for all the above and more. It stands beside my favourite stories selected from all the other Doctors.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 22, 2014 12:16:07 GMT
Earliest memory of 60s who? Unearthly child episode one. Not on original broadcast, but when it was repeated in the 1980s on BBC television. The first episode was and still is stunning; the next three lack it's ethereal quality though The other 3 episodes are still solid storytelling,especially the scene where the Doctor wants to kill the wounded caveman.Also,the bleak nature of the cave set,the brutal killing of the old woman and the memorable image of the burning skulls.But you're right,the first episode is unforgettable,but for all it's technical faults and fluffs,the pilot episode is even better in my opinion.A superb start.
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Post by brianfretwell on Mar 22, 2014 23:52:09 GMT
An Unearthly Child - missing the first episode both times, just catching the credits on the repeat!!!
The Daleks, memories confused with the film though did remember the VETOED codeword for the move of the resistance out of London.
Marco Polo only the moving of the TARDIS on the cart.
The Key of Marinus, fright at the fast growing plants in "The Creeping Jungle" (due to large Russian vine in next garden and knotweed at the end of all the houses next to the railway line.
The Trilogic game in The Celestial Toymaker and working out how it worked with piles of text books at school.
Getting a Saturday job and finding I would miss the Wendy Padbury episodes (can't remember in which programme I first saw her but I knew who she was before being cast as Zoe)
Other memories are blurred by time.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 17:38:01 GMT
Sorry that it has been quite a while but I just wanted to say a big thank you for the memories on here. I found the bit about Porridge being used for the Dalek battle in Evil quite ammusing.
It is also quite interesing that some stories are far more memorable then others. I feel particually sorry for the Savages for that reason. At least we are able to enjoy their soundtracks but ofcourse seeing it is another thing all together.
Thanks again.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jun 1, 2014 2:50:46 GMT
Hi James. Just to clarify, I think the gunk in Evil 7 was actually wallpaper paste and dye, but on screen it looked liked porridge. (Like the Grand Marshal in Seeds of Death looking like he had cornflakes stuck on his face.)
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