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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 5, 2014 7:59:07 GMT
What i want to know has ian found any more in Taiwan ? Even if dupes again.
If he has we'll know about it very shortly. He was chasing up further leads the last time we got an update on it but we've yet to hear anything.
I would be amazed if no more turned up. It so vast the part of the world, and the rate he was finding them was mind boggling. Fingers crossed  |
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Feb 5, 2014 8:48:49 GMT
the rate he was finding them was mind boggling Let's not get carried away, we're talking about one find so far. All ten episodes came from the same person. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 5, 2014 8:55:18 GMT
the rate he was finding them was mind boggling Let's not get carried away, we're talking about one find so far. All ten episodes came from the same person. But still an amazing find. Even if dupes ! Dont underrate this find, its right on the spot for other hopeful finds |
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Post by scotttelfer on Feb 5, 2014 8:57:00 GMT
If he has we'll know about it very shortly. He was chasing up further leads the last time we got an update on it but we've yet to hear anything.
I would be amazed if no more turned up. It so vast the part of the world, and the rate he was finding them was mind boggling. Fingers crossed He found one guy with ten, but confirmed them in two blocks of five. From what could be gathered from how this original collector got a hold of them, rather than wiping these stories whoever had a hold of them (whether that be the broadcaster or AFRTS itself had to get rid of them (which would favour the sales argument over the donation one, although it is possible they were just having a clear out). Rather than destroying the films they decided to approach local film collectors and just handed out random batches of old material, now it was just a matter of finding out who these collectors were, what they got and if they still have them. If this original collector had ten, it is possible Ian Levine and his team will find similar sized batches in future. Hopefully they will find some more, any of the following would help: 1. Missing episodes (obviously) 2. Higher quality copies of existing episodes (again obvious, although slightly more unlikely given the condition of the first ten) 3. Already existing orphaned episodes (would suggest missing episodes could be out there) 4. Already existing episodes from full serials not previously found in Taiwan (gives a fuller picture of what AFRTS got a hold of back in the day) Everything else of course isn't really going to be of that much interest, but would narrow the search down a bit and hopefully lead on to new sources. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 5, 2014 9:02:22 GMT
I would be amazed if no more turned up. It so vast the part of the world, and the rate he was finding them was mind boggling. Fingers crossed He found one guy with ten, but confirmed them in two blocks of five. From what could be gathered from how this original collector got a hold of them, rather than wiping these stories whoever had a hold of them (whether that be the broadcaster or AFRTS itself had to get rid of them (which would favour the sales argument over the donation one, although it is possible they were just having a clear out). Rather than destroying the films they decided to approach local film collectors and just handed out random batches of old material, now it was just a matter of finding out who these collectors were, what they got and if they still have them. If this original collector had ten, it is possible Ian Levine and his team will find similar sized batches in future. Hopefully they will find some more, any of the following would help: 1. Missing episodes (obviously) 2. Higher quality copies of existing episodes (again obvious, although slightly more unlikely given the condition of the first ten) 3. Already existing orphaned episodes (would suggest missing episodes could be out there) 4. Already existing episodes from full serials not previously found in Taiwan (gives a fuller picture of what AFRTS got a hold of back in the day) Everything else of course isn't really going to be of that much interest, but would narrow the search down a bit and hopefully lead on to new sources. Totally agree with that. It puts us in the picture and hopefully will lead to other finds. |
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Post by David Buck on Feb 7, 2014 2:10:00 GMT
this is related to Robert Lia's research so I suspect he may have seen this site already - gives a little insight into the running of these small Armed Forces TV stations, this one in Eritrea, was Ethiopia at the time though. Wikipedia says the base was abandoned in 1977 with much equipment left behind. www.kagnewstation.com/randr/afrts/history/seventies.htmlthen this page shows pictures of their set-up for broadcasting film & interestingly some shots from their own output - the whole thing seems quite ambitious for a station broadcasting to only a few thousand people kagnewstation.com/randr/kanu/index.htmland at the bottom of this page a full tv guide for March 1967 - all US shows there unsurprisingly but perhaps worth seeing if the 70's editions are on file somewhere stateside. kagnewstation.com/randr/afrts/index.html |
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 7, 2014 4:00:11 GMT
They showed Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and a lot of westerns. Even one or two children's shows which implies there were family members there as well. Still 95% of the shows are 35mm filmed series with a few video taped shows which would have been supplied at 166 black and white kinescopes from ABC, CBS and NBS
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Post by David Buck on Feb 7, 2014 10:30:36 GMT
They showed Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and a lot of westerns. Even one or two children's shows which implies there were family members there as well. Still 95% of the shows are 35mm filmed series with a few video taped shows which would have been supplied at 166 black and white kinescopes from ABC, CBS and NBS yes - if you look at the photo's on the site you'll see plenty of Kids & shows they made for children - Wikipedia has the peak base occupancy as 5000 US citizens - by 1971 the number drops to 1700 military personnel with 1600 dependants.It looks likely they would have removed most of the dependants in mid 1972 due to the instability in the region. This is the sort of base you'd think something like Doctor Who would go to rather than Vietnam - surely no dependants on bases there - or would it have been possible in the far south ? Of course the dates probably work against this base - by the time it was reduced to 900 staff I doubt the tv service was still being run, although I can't see it mentioned on the site. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 7, 2014 10:36:10 GMT
They showed Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and a lot of westerns. Even one or two children's shows which implies there were family members there as well. Still 95% of the shows are 35mm filmed series with a few video taped shows which would have been supplied at 166 black and white kinescopes from ABC, CBS and NBS yes - if you look at the photo's on the site you'll see plenty of Kids & shows they made for children - Wikipedia has the peak base occupancy as 5000 US citizens - by 1971 the number drops to 1700 military personnel with 1600 dependants.It looks likely they would have removed most of the dependants in mid 1972 due to the instability in the region. This is the sort of base you'd think something like Doctor Who would go to rather than Vietnam - surely no dependants on bases there - or would it have been possible in the far south ? Of course the dates probably work against this base - by the time it was reduced to 900 staff I doubt the tv service was still being run, although I can't see it mentioned on the site. The Evac from Vietnam was haphazard and rushed at best ! |
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 7, 2014 18:52:07 GMT
They showed Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and a lot of westerns. Even one or two children's shows which implies there were family members there as well. Still 95% of the shows are 35mm filmed series with a few video taped shows which would have been supplied at 16mm black and white kinescopes from ABC, CBS and NBS yes - if you look at the photo's on the site you'll see plenty of Kids & shows they made for children - Wikipedia has the peak base occupancy as 5000 US citizens - by 1971 the number drops to 1700 military personnel with 1600 dependants.It looks likely they would have removed most of the dependants in mid 1972 due to the instability in the region. This is the sort of base you'd think something like Doctor Who would go to rather than Vietnam - surely no dependants on bases there - or would it have been possible in the far south ? Of course the dates probably work against this base - by the time it was reduced to 900 staff I doubt the tv service was still being run, although I can't see it mentioned on the site. this just goes to show how far and wide AFRTS TV went. this base in Ethiopia I must say slipped completely under my radar. But the US Military has a long history of sending family members overseas. Usually not into "hot spots". No doubt after the evacuations they had to do in Vietnams, Iran and Ethiopia in the 1970's we learned not to send family members into Iraq, Afghanistan and other hot spots. Family members were assigned to more stable areas like Holy Loch Scotland, Japan, The Philippines, Germany and places in the pacific theatre large and small |
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Post by ianhenry on Feb 7, 2014 19:18:22 GMT
and at the bottom of this page a full tv guide for March 1967 - all US shows there unsurprisingly but perhaps worth seeing if the 70's editions are on file somewhere stateside. kagnewstation.com/randr/afrts/index.htmlThe early-70s schedules for Viet Nam exist. If they haven't already been checked, I can look them over sometime in the next couple of weeks. |
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Post by scotttelfer on Feb 7, 2014 21:50:59 GMT
and at the bottom of this page a full tv guide for March 1967 - all US shows there unsurprisingly but perhaps worth seeing if the 70's editions are on file somewhere stateside. kagnewstation.com/randr/afrts/index.htmlThe early-70s schedules for Viet Nam exist. If they haven't already been checked, I can look them over sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Definitely have a look if you get the chance. It states in DWM they were sent to Vietnam in the 70s so provided this is correct there should be some sort of record of what was shown if that's the case (we won't be looking any later than 1974 given that Keys is in there).
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Post by John Wall on Feb 7, 2014 22:09:12 GMT
Ambassadors ties it down to late 1970, early 1971 at the earliest.
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 7, 2014 22:15:24 GMT
[ [/p] Definitely have a look if you get the chance. It states in DWM they were sent to Vietnam in the 70s so provided this is correct there should be some sort of record of what was shown if that's the case (we won't be looking any later than 1974 given that Keys is in there).
[/quote] Lets remember that ALL AFRTS stations were in black and white until 1975/76 when the switch over to NTSC color. In Suadi Arabia the ARAMCO NTSC staiton was affiliated with AFRTS broadcast color Jon Pertwee in 1977 so dont rule out any AFRTS broadcast before the end of 1978. The US/Government owned NTSC sataion switched over in 1975 before the rest of the AFRTS Network began to switch. If you have TV guides from the respective bases them selves that would be more acurate than the Stars and Stripes newspapers. Unfortuanly base news papers are very hard to find from that period unless like in the case of ETHIOPIA some one saved one of them all these years |
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Post by David Buck on Feb 7, 2014 22:23:44 GMT
Further reading extends the life of the Kagnew station broadcasting services to 31-12-73 at least, the closing date of 29-04-74 might be for the radio service or both. so still potential for them to have sceened the show. kagnewstation.com/randr/afrts/history/final.html |
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