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Post by simonashby on Dec 31, 2013 2:24:29 GMT
I always find asking if something 'should' be done to be an odd way of asking a question. Asking a question like that gives you this definitive response: Should it be done? No. It's not financially viable. It's a waste of money that can be spent elsewhere on something profitable. Opinions don't come into it - that is the case.
But... No problem with them being done as long as they are accompaniments to the original B/W editions. Though I don't think there's any doubt that would not be the case anyway. Obviously would prefer it to be done well, but sadly doing programmes en-masse takes time and it will invariably end up looking like the coloured 'Dream of Genies' and so on that just don't cut it. 'Mind Of Evil' One truly was a one-off. Scheduling multiple episodes to be coloured just wouldn't allow the time to take so much care in the subtlety in tones that the episode enjoys. It took much longer than expected.
Certain parties within the BBC don't seem to be against the idea. After all, a very loose remit was put to Stuart Humpreys by the BBC for An Unearthly Child to be colourised before it was quickly rejected on both man-hours and [thus] cost...
...So regardless of if you like the idea, it isn't going to happen!
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Post by shellyharman67 on Dec 31, 2013 7:17:12 GMT
I guess so simon. But there is no more real milage in classic who much now on dvd. Unless something new really turns up. But i would love to have the chance to just see what it would feel like if it were possible. Each to their own i guess.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Dec 31, 2013 7:18:44 GMT
I always find asking if something 'should' be done to be an odd way of asking a question. Asking a question like that gives you this definitive response: Should it be done? No. It's not financially viable. It's a waste of money that can be spent elsewhere on something profitable. Opinions don't come into it - that is the case. But... No problem with them being done as long as they are accompaniments to the original B/W editions. Though I don't think there's any doubt that would not be the case anyway. Obviously would prefer it to be done well, but sadly doing programmes en-masse takes time and it will invariably end up looking like the coloured 'Dream of Genies' and so on that just don't cut it. 'Mind Of Evil' One truly was a one-off. Scheduling multiple episodes to be coloured just wouldn't allow the time to take so much care in the subtlety in tones that the episode enjoys. It took much longer than expected. Certain parties within the BBC don't seem to be against the idea. After all, a very loose remit was put to Stuart Humpreys by the BBC for An Unearthly Child to be colourised before it was quickly rejected on both man-hours and [thus] cost... ...So regardless of if you like the idea, it isn't going to happen! Agree to a point. But it would be nice to just see. And i bet the original crew and cast would of loved it to of been in colour !
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Post by stevehoare61 on Dec 31, 2013 7:32:45 GMT
Personally, I think some things should be left alone and this is one of them. Ive seen some of the colourised movies from the 30s and 40s, it hasnt enhanced them at all, its a novelty and a curiosity.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Dec 31, 2013 8:58:04 GMT
Personally, I think some things should be left alone and this is one of them. Ive seen some of the colourised movies from the 30s and 40s, it hasnt enhanced them at all, its a novelty and a curiosity. Agree, but still it would be nice to have that choice for those who want it
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Post by Steve Jenner on Dec 31, 2013 11:58:00 GMT
I'm definately in the no colourisation camp. I've no problem with colour recovery on episodes that were originally in colour but now only exist in B/W, but anything made in monochrome should be left as is. Anybody familiar with the US show The Outer Limits (the original 1960s version) with know that it's creators and directors knew that viewers would see the show in black and white so shot the episodes accordingly, utilising the talents of the lighting crews to their utmost. The first season especially uses this technique to really add to the show's creepy atmosphere which would be completely destroyed by colourisation. The atmosphere of some Who episodes such as Edge Of Destruction/Brink Of Disaster would be similarly destroyed In my opinion.
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Post by Simon Jailler on Dec 31, 2013 12:00:15 GMT
Spot on Dan - I was trying to remember the other Pertwee story that was stuck in my mind somewhere and the scenes in the cavern where the Master summons Azal look great in B&W. The scenes in Terror of the Autons where Mr & Mrs Farrel are menaced by that horrible doll are really chilling viewed in B&W. In colour, the doll just looks like a chubby version of Morph. The Mind of Evil also looks better in B&W IMHO, sorry Restoration Team
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Post by katiemalone on Dec 31, 2013 12:07:49 GMT
If something was originally in black and white-and meant to be-then it should stay black and white.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 12:13:47 GMT
I saw The Daemons (and all the other Pertwees) in b/w originally too - but that was as videotaped productions rather than looking like filmed t/rs, where that "live" feeling of immediacy is lost. So I'd be curious to know if, when people say they'd prefer to see certain stories in b/w, they also mean with the VidFire taken off? Personally, I've always thought it a huge shame that more VT programmes outside of DW have not utilised it to give them back their original look. VidFire is a great tool but I just wondered how far people would take it when they talk of enjoying watching colour Who stories in b/w! I've loved all the colour restorations (particularly Mind Of Evil, which is a real achievement) and personally wouldn't choose to watch them any other way now! They were made to be seen that way, even though most of us were not able to in 1970.
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Post by mattplace on Dec 31, 2013 12:22:10 GMT
Personally, I think some things should be left alone and this is one of them. Ive seen some of the colourised movies from the 30s and 40s, it hasnt enhanced them at all, its a novelty and a curiosity. Agree, but still it would be nice to have that choice for those who want it I expect that the option wont be forthcoming though, AFAIK its an expensive process and i cant see it getting enough interest,Most who fans(from posts on here) seem to prefer B&W. Browse Youtube, I'm sure someone has had an attempt at it, or... learn how to do it and show us your results!
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Post by brianfretwell on Dec 31, 2013 12:26:12 GMT
I say no. But, I would have like the cast of AAITAS remake "A Journey to Cathay" (Marco Polo); they looked great in the costumes.
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Post by mattplace on Dec 31, 2013 12:31:04 GMT
I saw The Daemons (and all the other Pertwees) in b/w originally too - but as videotaped productions and not looking like filmed t/rs, where that "live" feeling of immediacy is lost. So I'd be curious to know if, when people say they'd prefer to see certain stories in b/w, they also mean with the VidFire taken off? Personally, I've always thought it a huge shame that more VT programmes outside of DW have not utilised it to give them back their original look. VidFire is a great tool but I just wondered how far people would take it when they talk of enjoying watching colour Who stories in b/w! I've loved all the colour restorations (particularly Mind Of Evil, which is a real achievement) and personally wouldn't choose to watch them any other way now! They were made to be seen that way, even though most of us were not able to in 1970. I saw the Daemons when it screened in Australia in the 86.. In B&W(thanks Broadcastdw... heehe)... I had heard and read all the "Its the Best.. from cast and crew.. but in both B&W and colour it just didn't seem, well, any good... I have watched since in Colour and the special Edition looks amazeballs, but the story is just a little dull.(and i LOVE Katy Manning to death.. so its not Jo's fault heheh)
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Post by tom rogers on Dec 31, 2013 13:29:09 GMT
I saw The Daemons (and all the other Pertwees) in b/w originally too - but that was as videotaped productions rather than looking like filmed t/rs, where that "live" feeling of immediacy is lost. So I'd be curious to know if, when people say they'd prefer to see certain stories in b/w, they also mean with the VidFire taken off? Personally, I've always thought it a huge shame that more VT programmes outside of DW have not utilised it to give them back their original look. VidFire is a great tool but I just wondered how far people would take it when they talk of enjoying watching colour Who stories in b/w! I've loved all the colour restorations (particularly Mind Of Evil, which is a real achievement) and personally wouldn't choose to watch them any other way now! They were made to be seen that way, even though most of us were not able to in 1970. For me, I suppose I am partial to watching what I am accustomed to seeing from the past. I really don't mind the "filmed look" of these B&W versions - adds an air of antiquity that I find generally appealing I don't, however, watch original/surviving color versions in B&W for the reason that I am accustomed to seeing them as they were originally intended to be seen. Having said that, I do like the original color versions of Terror of the Autons and The Silurians. Oddly, I still prefer Daemons in B&W - so spooky! The color restoration of Mind of Evil is indeed an amazing achievement, and I do enjoy the live feel provided by the vidfire process (as with Ambassadors of Death) - it is just going to take me a little while to become accustomed to this "new" version after so many years of digesting the B&W version.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Dec 31, 2013 14:38:42 GMT
The thing is not much else can be done with the B/W stories regarding special editions. So offering both versions like laurel and hardy for instance would be great i think.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Dec 31, 2013 15:09:38 GMT
I'd be very interested in seeing a colourised episode from the Hartnell or Troughton era. I think it'd certainly get a lot of interest. But lets be honest, no matter how well it was done people would scream blue murder about it!
If nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to watch it, what's the problem? If it generates interest in the shows early years from a viewership that wouldn't otherwise explore it, what's the problem?
Personally I think it's each to their own.
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