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Post by christian bews on Jul 31, 2017 19:29:56 GMT
i remembered in september 1994 two months after the 25th anniversary of the first man of the moon my parents & i were moving all the things out of my late nana's house after my step-grandfather was moved to nazareth house in aberdeen but he passed away the following month(october) & mum found some audio tapes of this event i dont know what tapes they were recorded on & i heard some remarks from ITN's science editor peter fairley so it might be recorded from ITV. i'm not sure if some were recorded from BBC.i was wondering do any of ITV's coverage still in exist?
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Post by John W King on Jul 31, 2017 19:32:29 GMT
This is an interesting thread to me for number of reasons. First in 1969 I lived in Abingdon which is only a few miles from Britwell Cum Sotwell (see beginning of thread). 18 months I left Oxfordshire after living in Didcot for 15 years. The very next village is Britwell. I used to make direct line recordings of TV soundtracks onto open reel tape using a phono socket my brother soldered onto our TV. Among recordings I made was large chunks of Apollo 11 at 7.5 ips. I still have those sound recordings. About 15 years ago I transferred them to CD. The actual landing on the moon with tense interjections from James Burke and Patrick Moore remains one of the most electric moments I have lived through. If only the video can be recovered it would be mega brilliant. Another little detail. Open reel tapes were also usually sold in card boxes with an internal plastic bag. And that's how my tapes remain preserved. Sadly my main open reel recorder has stopped playing. I have inherited an old American machine which is working after a fashion. I am try to locate the sounstrack I made to the 1969 version of Triton but I fear it was accidentally erased. Final point. I did offer my Apollo 11 tapes to someone senior (PV?) on this site but got a slightly dismissive reply saying audios of this event weren't needed. No investigation to find what else I may have. If I had offered 90 odd missing episodes of Dr Who and got that kind of response I would have kept the lot to myself. Lesson to be learnt:- If you are offered any kind of recorded material please be careful how you respond. Hope the Apollo 11 video can be unlocked and replayed. It would be a small step for a recorder but giant leap for Missing Episodes!
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Post by John W King on Jul 31, 2017 19:57:04 GMT
p.s. I forgot to mention. Some people listen. It is my recording a segment of a Missing Episode of Adam Adamant Lives! that currently appears on the DVD collection of that programme. Alas I was not credited.
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Post by RWels on Jul 31, 2017 21:19:09 GMT
Seems they already have off air audios. Even so, yours might or might not have been better quality. p.s. I forgot to mention. Some people listen. It is my recording a segment of a Missing Episode of Adam Adamant Lives! that currently appears on the DVD collection of that programme. Alas I was not credited. Yes, I remember that! Well, the man who recorded most of the TDUDP audio wasn't credited on the recent DVD release either... Same as you, he had a line-out installed. But do you have any other series' audio that might be missing?
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Post by briancook on Aug 1, 2017 7:16:41 GMT
This is an interesting thread to me for number of reasons. First in 1969 I lived in Abingdon which is only a few miles from Britwell Cum Sotwell (see beginning of thread). 18 months I left Oxfordshire after living in Didcot for 15 years. The very next village is Britwell. I used to make direct line recordings of TV soundtracks onto open reel tape using a phono socket my brother soldered onto our TV. Among recordings I made was large chunks of Apollo 11 at 7.5 ips. I still have those sound recordings. About 15 years ago I transferred them to CD. The actual landing on the moon with tense interjections from James Burke and Patrick Moore remains one of the most electric moments I have lived through. If only the video can be recovered it would be mega brilliant. Another little detail. Open reel tapes were also usually sold in card boxes with an internal plastic bag. And that's how my tapes remain preserved. Sadly my main open reel recorder has stopped playing. I have inherited an old American machine which is working after a fashion. I am try to locate the sounstrack I made to the 1969 version of Triton but I fear it was accidentally erased. Final point. I did offer my Apollo 11 tapes to someone senior (PV?) on this site but got a slightly dismissive reply saying audios of this event weren't needed. No investigation to find what else I may have. If I had offered 90 odd missing episodes of Dr Who and got that kind of response I would have kept the lot to myself. Lesson to be learnt:- If you are offered any kind of recorded material please be careful how you respond. Hope the Apollo 11 video can be unlocked and replayed. It would be a small step for a recorder but giant leap for Missing Episodes! Ive had lots of dismissive "noes" to stuff too, like anything, this missing material game has its fair share of chaps trying to give it the big 'i am', along with sycophantic types who think the sun shines etc etc etc. When that lot went to auction i approached a few people and was met with the response you got. In other news, some collectors pay a good price for 'intetesting' stuff even if it is "just" audio.
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Post by Arthur Chim on Aug 1, 2017 12:59:27 GMT
Always interesting to hear about Apollo 11 whatever. Talking of line feeds, apparently world TV was never given a line feed from the Moon they all had to point their cameras at the large screen projection IE tele record. The higher quality images have never seemed to have surfaced . I read that the video cameras used on the early missions including Apollo 11 had very slow frame rates to save on the transmission bandwidth as live video was not considered a high priority. However, the video in its original frame rate was recorded on telemetry tapes at the time but later wiped or destroyed. Had these been kept I'm not sure that NASA would now have the equipment to play them back on.
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Post by John W King on Aug 1, 2017 19:55:20 GMT
Can I just add to my slightly negative comment about PV. He has graciously contacted me. I should have pointed out that when I contacted PV about my Apollo audio tapes he was very busy compiling a brilliant programme about the moon landing for BBC 1. His reply probably reflected his focus was more on the programme. Sorry Paul if I gave a damaging impression. John
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Aug 7, 2017 0:20:29 GMT
I read that the video cameras used on the early missions including Apollo 11 had very slow frame rates to save on the transmission bandwidth as live video was not considered a high priority. However, the video in its original frame rate was recorded on telemetry tapes at the time but later wiped or destroyed. Had these been kept I'm not sure that NASA would now have the equipment to play them back on. When you think about it though the live cameras were the most important part as nobody in the world would have appreciated the effort made to get to the Moon without them. I heard the Moon video telemetry feed was picked up by an outpost in Australia where it was standards converted to NTSC and sent to the US..and that is what we saw via a projection screen. I never did quite work out how President Nixon was able to do a split screen chat with Armstrong on the Moon in real time but there you go. There were three receiving stations. Two were in Australia, Parkes and Honeysuckle Creek. The third was at Goldstone in the US. The first station to get a clean signal was Honeysuckle Creek, but Parkes provided the initial signal that went to Houston. The images were scan converted at source. This was done by pointing a 525 SD camera at a high resolution monitor to convert the 10 fps images to the TV standard. The live broadcast that survives today is a mixture of Parkes, Honeysuckle Creek and Goldstone scan converters. A few years ago, a film recording from Honeysuckle Creek, made by the ABC turned up in their archive and shows the first step on the Moon in better quality. Only viewers in Australia saw this at the time and there is somewhere a video recording of it. When I tried to use the footage for my BBC documentary, the ABC library wanted me to licence it from them for a fixed period of time and in only that doc. The fact that the footage is public domain didn't seem to concern them. Sadly, I couldn't commit the BBC to pay for something others would then take out of my show and use again knowing it was public domain, only to get their knuckles rapped by the ABC. Thankfully, NASA now have a copy which they distribute, so it's free for everyone. There was a pool studio camera at the White House filming Nixon. The ABC which supplied the pool footage used a circular wipe to include the President, others did it in a different way. The time delay for communication to and from the Moon is 1.3 seconds. There would be a slight additional delay from 'live' pictures due to the various satellite hops to get the pics back. But as you can't see the astronauts lips move, it doesn't matter. The actual delay between Nixon and the astronauts in sound is 1.3 seconds. Paul
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Post by Gary Critcher on Aug 7, 2017 9:28:34 GMT
....I always thought there was a TV doco in the story of the old NASA guys getting together in their retirement and searching their old archives for the original slow scan videotapes. Trouble is, we all know the outcome.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Aug 8, 2017 22:23:10 GMT
Cheers Peter.
They were going to do Apollo 8 or Apollo 10, 10 being the last where most, if not all the broadcasts were kept. What's interesting about those early recordings is that for Apollo 8, which was Christmas 1968, the launch programme survives as a 625 film recording from BBC1 and a colour VT from BBC2. There are slight differences between the two. One advantage is that with the BBC1 film recording, the image locks up very quickly when the gallery cuts to an unstable outside source, such as Bernard Lovell at Jodrell bank. With the colour VT, there were no external source synchronisers in those days, so the VT recording which has recorded the picture and syncs from the outside source, re-locks to the differing syncs each time the VT plays over the junction. There are ways round this, which would mean transferring the tape with the machine set in a different mode, but in practice nobody ever does it. So, for example, one of the recordings I made for the drama 'First and Last' required extracts from the 1970 general election. I had to transfer the original PasB recording which had a great many outside sources, some in black and white. Not even the local TV studios were synchronised to the network, so each time it cut to an outside source, the VT re-locks to the new syncs off tape.
In the end, we went with Apollo 11, because I made the case for the additional content I had found in my research. None of it was catalogued, it was all thought to be lost.
Paul
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Sept 12, 2017 21:36:54 GMT
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Post by Sue Butcher on Sept 13, 2017 9:20:20 GMT
The gist is they couldn't find any of the original data tapes, so they collected the best of the optical conversions, including some Super 8 film shot off-monitor at a tracking station, and made a restoration from these. The result looks very good, and it gives me hope that something could eventually be done to improve smeary optical conversions of 405 line programmes.
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Post by Arthur Chim on Sept 13, 2017 10:34:39 GMT
A fascinating read, thanks Matthew.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 23:11:00 GMT
What was your documentary called, Paul? I missed it when it was shown and would love to see it.
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Post by Chris Singh on Sept 20, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
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