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Post by John W King on Nov 25, 2014 17:59:29 GMT
Despite having aired my reservations about series 8 on this forum I went and bought the DVD set yesterday to celebrate the quiet anniversary. No missing episodes in my collection......apart from Underwater Menace 2 ..........oh, (before rumours start) 97 other missing episodes!
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Post by Tony Ingram on Nov 25, 2014 21:20:23 GMT
Despite having aired my reservations about series 8 on this forum I went and bought the DVD set yesterday to celebrate the quiet anniversary. No missing episodes in my collection......apart from Underwater Menace 2 ..........oh, (before rumours start) 97 other missing episodes! You mean you didn't grab a copy of UM 2 as soon as it was leaked onto the net? There's always one...
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Post by Paul McDermott on Nov 29, 2014 2:34:22 GMT
Despite having aired my reservations about series 8 on this forum I went and bought the DVD set yesterday to celebrate the quiet anniversary. No missing episodes in my collection......apart from Underwater Menace 2 ..........oh, (before rumours start) 97 other missing episodes! You mean you didn't grab a copy of UM 2 as soon as it was leaked onto the net? There's always one... Two, Tony! I guess I wanted to know there would always be one more lost ep definitely still Out There for me to see, even if it's not amongst the short list of ones I'm most eager to see back in the Archives and on my telly! Of course, a release on iTunes or Amazon, where I can pay for it, would see an instant purchase. Over to you, Beeb!
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Post by Paul McDermott on Nov 29, 2014 2:38:39 GMT
Despite having aired my reservations about series 8 on this forum I went and bought the DVD set yesterday to celebrate the quiet anniversary. No missing episodes in my collection......apart from Underwater Menace 2 ..........oh, (before rumours start) 97 other missing episodes! Hopefully another watch or two will give you some things to spot that you'll appreciate now but maybe weren't obvious the first time around, John. That's how it is with me with both the old and new eps, for the most part. And supporting the show by buying it is a good way to remind the BBC that interest in Doctor Who remains strong in viewer and consumer land!
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 2, 2014 3:28:37 GMT
Clara may be back after Christmas, as some media organs have speculated. And she may not. www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-11-28/doctor-who-viewers-will-have-to-watch-the-christmas-episode-to-see-if-jenna-coleman-is-stayingThe uncertainty is welcome, and this sense of not being quite sure what’s happening next was I think one of the stronger points on which Series 8 delivered. I reckon she’s going out the door for keeps - and perhaps even feet first. But if that’s not right, and she’s with us a bit into Series 9, I think there’s a few tweaks it’d be nice to see as regards her character. When she was introduced with Matt Smith, she was a sort of childminder. Now she’s turned professional and is teaching at a secondary school. Somehow between The Name Of The Doctor and The Day Of The Doctor, she got a degree. Not quite sure how, to be honest! But maybe she’s gotten a letter of recommendation from her Time Lord chum, and told to drop in to see Ian Chesterton on the board of governors? I could just about believe that, but I’d have liked it a lot more if I could have seen it. William Russell’s work on Who in the 60s and more recently for the DVD line and for Big Finish has always been well received, and he was wonderful as the security guard outside TVC in An Adventure In Space And Time. Given the near miss he had with Mawdryn Undead, it really would be nice to give him a cameo in the new series. In any case, Clara’s chops in the classroom to me seem very much less of the teacher and rather more of the prefect. She seems still too much like her charges in terms of tone and approach. If she’s new at it, which is to be expected and understood, she really ought to be paired up with a more experienced hand. Instead, there’s no workplace mentoring going on, which seems a pity and an improbable risk in these liability-averse days. Off the job, she’s getting that kind of interaction from the Doctor. She could stand to gain a little more of his ability to go remote, to look beyond the obvious, to think more and feel less. And certainly, he’s spoken more than once of the benefits he’s gained and continues to appreciate as a result of her choosing to travel with him in his new persona. A good example can make all the difference! What I think is a little troubling however is Clara’s capacity to respond to frustration by physically lashing out. If the Doctor did this to her, there would rightly be umbrage. There wasn’t. Is this how she responds to a challenging pupil or kid she minds? One certainly hopes not. Yet the Doctor’s new atypical mindset and emotional responses to me suggest that some viewers might take the view that a kid who is “different” can be “fixed” by bopping them one. Perhaps it’s there for a reason. Certainly, the Dark Water hallucination sequence saw Clara respond to a difficult circumstance by being willing to impulsively and uselessly endanger the Doctor’s life and her own. So perhaps this is foreshadowing of developments between them that have yet to fully play out. If not, I hope she gets the boy Danny saved to his parents fast. Or frustration may get the better of her, in ways that are very far from satisfactory - no matter how true to life they unhappily are.
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Post by mattplace on Dec 2, 2014 10:38:48 GMT
Clara may be back after Christmas, as some media organs have speculated. And she may not. www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-11-28/doctor-who-viewers-will-have-to-watch-the-christmas-episode-to-see-if-jenna-coleman-is-stayingThe uncertainty is welcome, and this sense of not being quite sure what’s happening next was I think one of the stronger points on which Series 8 delivered. I reckon she’s going out the door for keeps - and perhaps even feet first. But if that’s not right, and she’s with us a bit into Series 9, I think there’s a few tweaks it’d be nice to see as regards her character. When she was introduced with Matt Smith, she was a sort of childminder. Now she’s turned professional and is teaching at a secondary school. Somehow between The Name Of The Doctor and The Day Of The Doctor, she got a degree. Not quite sure how, to be honest! But maybe she’s gotten a letter of recommendation from her Time Lord chum, and told to drop in to see Ian Chesterton on the board of governors? I could just about believe that, but I’d have liked it a lot more if I could have seen it. William Russell’s work on Who in the 60s and more recently for the DVD line and for Big Finish has always been well received, and he was wonderful as the security guard outside TVC in An Adventure In Space And Time. Given the near miss he had with Mawdryn Undead, it really would be nice to give him a cameo in the new series. In any case, Clara’s chops in the classroom to me seem very much less of the teacher and rather more of the prefect. She seems still too much like her charges in terms of tone and approach. If she’s new at it, which is to be expected and understood, she really ought to be paired up with a more experienced hand. Instead, there’s no workplace mentoring going on, which seems a pity and an improbable risk in these liability-averse days. Off the job, she’s getting that kind of interaction from the Doctor. She could stand to gain a little more of his ability to go remote, to look beyond the obvious, to think more and feel less. And certainly, he’s spoken more than once of the benefits he’s gained and continues to appreciate as a result of her choosing to travel with him in his new persona. A good example can make all the difference! What I think is a little troubling however is Clara’s capacity to respond to frustration by physically lashing out. If the Doctor did this to her, there would rightly be umbrage. There wasn’t. Is this how she responds to a challenging pupil or kid she minds? One certainly hopes not. Yet the Doctor’s new atypical mindset and emotional responses to me suggest that some viewers might take the view that a kid who is “different” can be “fixed” by bopping them one. Perhaps it’s there for a reason. Certainly, the Dark Water hallucination sequence saw Clara respond to a difficult circumstance by being willing to impulsively and uselessly endanger the Doctor’s life and her own. So perhaps this is foreshadowing of developments between them that have yet to fully play out. If not, I hope she gets the boy Danny saved to his parents fast. Or frustration may get the better of her, in ways that are very far from satisfactory - no matter how true to life they unhappily are. I hope not! IMHO I don't like the Clara/Capaldi dynamic. It will never happen.. but id love to see a "evelyn"(big Finish) type companion, sadly Maggie Stables recently passed away.. I'd like to see Capaldi with a less "emotionally unstable" companion. No more Lying/dream sequences... just two friends to explore the universe side by side.. The Doc with a companion/assistant... not an antagonist
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 2, 2014 13:49:59 GMT
I hope not! IMHO I don't like the Clara/Capaldi dynamic. It will never happen.. but id love to see a "evelyn"(big Finish) type companion, sadly Maggie Stables recently passed away.. I'd like to see Capaldi with a less "emotionally unstable" companion. No more Lying/dream sequences... just two friends to explore the universe side by side.. The Doc with a companion/assistant... not an antagonist Wait and see I guess, Matt! Much as I am glad they mixed things up with Clara this year, and took the TARDIS team's dynamic to new and dramatically interesting places, I wouldn't be too upset if they used the lad Mr Pink rescued as an out for her. New year, new team! And maybe, not just lock onto one companion so fast. A few eps with one, then another. Maybe a pairing. But no guarantee of permanence. And pretty please, faces from different places and times!! I know what modern human women look like and are interested in, more or less. (As the Doctor said to Countess Scarlioni: "You're a very beautiful woman...probably." ) I want to know what peoples from other planets and eras look like and have in mind. That's got to offer exciting new possibilities just as Capaldi offered writers and audience alike from the moment he came aboard. Have the Doctor surprised, confused, uneasy as well as satisfied and happy with a range of new faces who through choice or circumstance travel with him. Perhaps the bank robbers who helped him in Time Heist - or folks like them - will get a voyage or two, then replaced by someone from Earth's past that isn't the over-visited Victorian period, an obviously nonhuman alien or two, etc. Let them get fed up, let go, mowed down, and more. Mix it up, keep us on our toes, keep us guessing. Who's staying, who's going, and why? And seeing next year's the 10th year it's been back, let Kate Lethbridge-Stewart have her own TARDIS trip. If we are treated to another Doctor turning up, I do hope it's McGann. He knocked it out of the park for those few more precious minutes he was back on the telly, looking better than ever. How would he react learning his later choice to become "a warrior" ultimately proved to be completely worthless and unnecessary? He could show a bitter and melancholy Doctor, in a way we haven't quite seen before. Or we could get him in his carefree and unseen prime, long before the Time War began. He's hoping, anyway!
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Post by Tony Ingram on Dec 2, 2014 16:30:10 GMT
And seeing next year's the 10th year it's been back, let Kate Lethbridge-Stewart have her own TARDIS trip. If we are treated to another Doctor turning up, I do hope it's McGann. He knocked it out of the park for those few more precious minutes he was back on the telly, looking better than ever. How would he react learning his later choice to become "a warrior" ultimately proved to be completely worthless and unnecessary? He could show a bitter and melancholy Doctor, in a way we haven't quite seen before. Or we could get him in his carefree and unseen prime, long before the Time War began. He's hoping, anyway! Well, a sizeable chunk of his "prime" may not have been seen, but it's certainly been heard thanks to Big Finish, and a lot of it seems to have been far from carefree. But I'd still like to see him on screen again.
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 3, 2014 2:09:32 GMT
Well, a sizeable chunk of his "prime" may not have been seen, but it's certainly been heard thanks to Big Finish, and a lot of it seems to have been far from carefree. But I'd still like to see him on screen again. I know what you mean, Tony. I was referring to the sort of fix he was in during the events of The Night Of The Doctor! I've enjoyed the majority of the 8th Doctor audios too - although the most recent Dark Eyes stuff I must say don't quite work for me nearly as well as the run he did with Sheridan Smith. They strike me as a bit too "Key To Time", stodgy and weighted down with Time Lord and Dalek jazz. Of course, that's not detracting from the lead's performance, which remains excellent. Paul McGann is surely among the strongest casting choices Doctor Who ever got and the criminal bad luck we had in keeping him on the telly is something I'd like to see redressed with the new series, somehow - even if it's just a two-parter. A little while back, Moffat spoke of a cliffhanger at the end of Series 9. Having the 8th Doctor's appearance split over the Series 9 ender and the Series 10 opener would be a nice way to go, I think!
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 3, 2014 2:24:15 GMT
The scheduling for this year's Christmas special is interesting in being a bit earlier than I'd have expected: www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-12-02/doctor-who-2014-christmas-special-air-time-revealedGiven the last few eps of Series 8 have been challenging viewing for some, perhaps the tone will be a bit less fraught. Then again, this might serve well to allay suspicions and there's still conceptually startling and disturbing material in it that will clash as much with the usual expectations of a Christmas ep as Capaldi's Doctor is doing for many new and lapsed viewers. On that last point, this is another nice sign that shows a sense of the savvy intent behind the new Doctor's persona: www.thegallifreytimes.co.uk/2014/11/doctor-who-peter-capaldi-removed-scenes.htmlSeeing him alone, pounding on the TARDIS console in loss and frustration, as he remains cut off from his own people, really gave me a sense that his separation from his own kind and indeed, everyone else (relative to the more bubbly and hip versions we've had in the last nine years) is going to give a kind of gravitas and tone that will distinguish Capaldi's turn as the Doctor. Yep, he's brilliant and cranky and rude - but there's a lot more going on too, that perhaps only the audience will be allowed to peek behind the curtain to catch a glimpse of, and even then, only from time to time.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Dec 3, 2014 7:57:52 GMT
I think i will see it first before i comment ! Though not expecting much if the last season and xmas ones are anything to go by................
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Post by Tony Ingram on Dec 3, 2014 18:39:29 GMT
6.15 does seem very early, given the recent change in tone. But then, the Christmas specials are frequently just a bit of light hearted nonsense.
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 4, 2014 9:15:41 GMT
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 7, 2014 1:40:21 GMT
I've been wondering about the moth holes in the Doctor's jumper for a bit now, and this photo seems to give weight to my suspicion: I think we have a subtle return of that most over-used bit of punctuation in the 1980s: the question mark!! Cue outrage, Days Of Action, etc etc! As a certain Mondasian might have put it: Laugh? No, why should I laugh?
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 12, 2014 3:19:07 GMT
A new trailer, suggesting something a bit creepy may be up with Clara: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yge3X0HS6DELove the balloon guns, and nice to see a bit more of Michael Troughton!
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