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Post by James Amaz on Nov 7, 2013 21:16:24 GMT
So I'm still working on this article on lost episodes and it turns out I'm even more constrained than before. The editor who looked at my article most recently told me that it needed more variety on the way that the episodes were lost, and to roll my entries on Dr. Who and Quatermass into one entry on "stuff lost to BBC incompetence" (insert obvious jokes here) and that I otherwise only get one "the tapes were lost/wiped" entry. I also tried to include the censored Monty Python sketches, but was told it didn't really fit into an article on whole episodes. So that means my article currently has: Combined Dr. Who/Quatermass entry- See above. Sesame Street's "Snuffy's Parents Get a Divorce"- Never aired because a test screening ended with a room full of crying kids. Mystery Science Theater 3000- Earliest three episodes have never been released to the public after airing once. I actually had in my article pitch an old interview with a producer saying he had the tapes and was afraid to get them transferred due to their age, but I've since been told it's really due to legal issues and the creators not being too satisfied with their early work. No fan copies exist because it didn't have a following three episodes in. The editor suggested I make this be my single "the tapes were lost" entry, but if I can find a source proving it's unreleased due to the legal/old shame thing, then I can save one of my other entries (I hope). The Entire DuMont Network: Main archives were dumped into the Upper NY Bay when ABC inherited them about 30 years after the network went off the air and didn't want to deal with them. I'm keeping this if I can change the reason on the MST3K episodes. So yeah, the name of the game here is "Variety in why we can't see them." But (and I should have emphasized this more last time) the other name of the game is "importance of the show." Things that the readers (mostly in their 20s) will have heard of, or things they really SHOULD have heard of (often due to influence on later big shows), like Quatermass, DuMont etc. Also, this article is on "episodes you can't see," so I can use things that were filmed but never aired, aired and not lost but unlikely to ever be seen again, etc. Thanks! So, anyone know of any episodes that fit this bill? |
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Post by Pete Morris on Nov 8, 2013 12:43:52 GMT
Doctor Who and Quatermass were lost for very different reasons.
Quatermass was transmitted live, and not telerecorded.
Doctor Who was recorded, but the recordings thrown away.
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Post by Greg H on Nov 8, 2013 13:51:18 GMT
There's always 'London after midnight'? I think the company who owned it put all of their prints in one vault and then there was a fire destroying all of their prints. That would qualify as a variation on a theme perhaps?
Some small time editors can get on a bit of a power trip about editing the work of others. I am not saying that this is what's happening here, but it has happened to me a couple of times before if I am honest.
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Post by Richard Marple on Nov 8, 2013 15:38:41 GMT
I've heard of a film made where the last known was kept by the director, who left it in less than ideal conditions.
When he found it had gone beyond saving he supposedly cryed like a baby.
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Post by James Amaz on Nov 8, 2013 16:20:47 GMT
Doctor Who and Quatermass were lost for very different reasons. Quatermass was transmitted live, and not telerecorded. Doctor Who was recorded, but the recordings thrown away. I mentioned that to the editor who looked at my article in response, but to make a long story short, the rules of the site say I have to come up with replacement items before I can put them on there as seperate ones in a "maybe" column for the full editorial board to look at. It's possible that I confused him with a line about "the same tape-wiping policies as above" that was mostly leftover from an old draft. |
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Post by James Amaz on Nov 8, 2013 16:24:23 GMT
There's always 'London after midnight'? I think the company who owned it put all of their prints in one vault and then there was a fire destroying all of their prints. That would qualify as a variation on a theme perhaps? Some small time editors can get on a bit of a power trip about editing the work of others. I am not saying that this is what's happening here, but it has happened to me a couple of times before if I am honest. Isn't that a movie, though? The article has to be on TV shows. |
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Post by Greg H on Nov 8, 2013 16:27:15 GMT
There's always 'London after midnight'? I think the company who owned it put all of their prints in one vault and then there was a fire destroying all of their prints. That would qualify as a variation on a theme perhaps? Some small time editors can get on a bit of a power trip about editing the work of others. I am not saying that this is what's happening here, but it has happened to me a couple of times before if I am honest. Isn't that a movie, though? The article has to be on TV shows. Ah sorry, I thought for a moment it was moving image in general. |
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Post by RWels on Nov 8, 2013 17:53:35 GMT
Doctor Who and Quatermass were lost for very different reasons. Quatermass was transmitted live, and not telerecorded. Doctor Who was recorded, but the recordings thrown away. To be precise, the tapes were wiped very quickly; but all was fine until they started to dispose of the 16mm telerecordings (or kinescopes in the US). Most of the news sites reporting the latest DW recovery still got this wrong and spoke of "tapes" and "wiping". How about "My living doll" from 1964, lost in an earthquake in the '90s? |
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Post by James Amaz on Nov 8, 2013 23:16:11 GMT
How about "My living doll" from 1964, lost in an earthquake in the '90s? Hmm, that could be a good one. It does fall under "the tapes were lost," but it was for very different reasons than the others. Was that show a big deal at the time? Someone just suggested I look into Amos & Andy; are any of those episodes totally unavailable to the public, legally or otherwise? A quick wiki search shows someone illegally released most but not all of them on VHS a few years back, and also, potentially ruining everything for me, a single tiny station in Houston is airing the show. |
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Post by Pete Morris on Nov 9, 2013 1:16:55 GMT
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Post by James Amaz on Nov 9, 2013 1:37:57 GMT
I'd love to use that one, but someone has already written about that one on Cracked, and they have a strict no-repeats policy. Then again, they allow some overlap if you're writing about a different aspect of something, and the previous entry on it may have been more about the episode that did air and not the ones that didn't. I'll have to reread that article and see. Keep suggestions coming, please. |
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Nov 9, 2013 10:30:54 GMT
I don't really get this : you're working for ... who? Some fascist off-shoot of Nazi Germany from the 1930s?? I can't believe anyone would be prepared to do their job under such draconian restrictions. Tell them you're doing it the way you want to, and if they don't like it, tough.
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Post by RWels on Nov 9, 2013 20:49:48 GMT
How about "My living doll" from 1964, lost in an earthquake in the '90s? Hmm, that could be a good one. It does fall under "the tapes were lost," but it was for very different reasons than the others. Was that show a big deal at the time? Hard to tell. A few generations before me and another country... Didn't I suggest it last time you were here? A further point is that someone IS trying to get episodes back, and has released a number of them, with extras, but he antagonized some film collectors with copyright claims so he did not get all the episodes that he could have got. I'd love to use that one, but someone has already written about that one on Cracked, and they have a strict no-repeats policy. Then again, they allow some overlap if you're writing about a different aspect of something, and the previous entry on it may have been more about the episode that did air and not the ones that didn't. I'll have to reread that article and see. Keep suggestions coming, please. Heil honey doesn't qualify anyway because it isn't lost. I've seen one of the unaired episodes myself. It's an unusual concept, but weird doesn't equal wiped. I don't really get this : you're working for ... who? Some fascist off-shoot of Nazi Germany from the 1930s?? I can't believe anyone would be prepared to do their job under such draconian restrictions. Tell them you're doing it the way you want to, and if they don't like it, tough. Sounds like a good question. It's a popular site though, I once suddenly got many hits on a youtube video after its content had been discussed there. It was quickly over, too. |
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Post by James Amaz on Nov 10, 2013 20:24:29 GMT
I don't really get this : you're working for ... who? Some fascist off-shoot of Nazi Germany from the 1930s?? I can't believe anyone would be prepared to do their job under such draconian restrictions. Tell them you're doing it the way you want to, and if they don't like it, tough. Well, Cracked is mostly written by freelance people, which is the case with me. If I just said this, they simply wouldn't publish it. My day job is with a TV station. |
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Post by James Amaz on Nov 10, 2013 20:39:13 GMT
Hmm, that could be a good one. It does fall under "the tapes were lost," but it was for very different reasons than the others. Was that show a big deal at the time? Hard to tell. A few generations before me and another country... Didn't I suggest it last time you were here? A further point is that someone IS trying to get episodes back, and has released a number of them, with extras, but he antagonized some film collectors with copyright claims so he did not get all the episodes that he could have got. I'd love to use that one, but someone has already written about that one on Cracked, and they have a strict no-repeats policy. Then again, they allow some overlap if you're writing about a different aspect of something, and the previous entry on it may have been more about the episode that did air and not the ones that didn't. I'll have to reread that article and see. Keep suggestions coming, please. Heil honey doesn't qualify anyway because it isn't lost. I've seen one of the unaired episodes myself. It's an unusual concept, but weird doesn't equal wiped. You did suggest it last time, but I ended up going with the lost Monty Python sketches, which the editors didn't think belonged on a list of lost episodes (makes sense). Thought I'd ask again to rephrase the question with more emphasis on how they were lost and which shows are more important. I'm actually OK with using episodes that aren't technically lost, since this is essentially an entry on episodes the general public can't see. May I ask what circumstances you were able to see the unaired Heil Honey episode? |
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