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Post by Charles Daniels on Sept 10, 2013 10:18:18 GMT
The SLPP government "Installed" the Broadcasting House So the building was either - 1) It was built between 1951 and 1967 or 2) It was built between 1996 and 2007 That is when the SLPP government was in power. The building itself, seems to my eye, to be older than 10-13 years old in the photographs we have. My best guess is that the building was installed in 1963, when the SLPP government initially "installed" a television service in Sierra Leone. It seems pretty unlikely to me that the building was "installed" there between 2000 and 2007 which is what we'd have to believe if we are assuming the original station was destroyed in 1999, and the SLPP government re-built an entire tv broadcasting infrastructure from scratch. Oh, and accomplished that in three months. Because I have news reports I could quote of television broadcasts made during March 1999 and August 1999. Abass Bundu has rejected as "patently defamatory" a statement made Friday by outgoing ECOMOG force commander Major-General Timothy Shelpidi, who alleged that Bundu might be the real leader of the RUF. In an SLBS radio and television interview Friday night, Shelpidi expressed the belief that Corporal Foday Sankoh could not be considered the true leader of the RUF www.sierra-leone.org/Archives/slnews0399.html See March 28 And August 25 1999 "Earlier this week, an ECOMOG soldier escorted two former AFRC officials to the offices of the Sierra Leone Broadcasting Service (SLBS) in the New England area of Freetown, where they demanded air time (which was not granted) in order to brief their fighters in the bush about the peace process," the CPJ said. www.sierra-leone.org/Archives/slnews0899.html |
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Post by davidlutman on Sept 10, 2013 11:05:02 GMT
The SLPP government "Installed" the Broadcasting House So the building was either - 1) It was built between 1951 and 1967 or 2) It was built between 1996 and 2007 That is when the SLPP government was in power. The building itself, seems to my eye, to be older than 10-13 years old in the photographs we have. My best guess is that the building was installed in 1963, when the SLPP government initially "installed" a television service in Sierra Leone. It seems pretty unlikely to me that the building was "installed" there between 2000 and 2007 which is what we'd have to believe if we are assuming the original station was destroyed in 1999, and the SLPP government re-built an entire tv broadcasting infrastructure from scratch. Oh, and accomplished that in three months. Because I have news reports I could quote of television broadcasts made during March 1999 and August 1999. Abass Bundu has rejected as "patently defamatory" a statement made Friday by outgoing ECOMOG force commander Major-General Timothy Shelpidi, who alleged that Bundu might be the real leader of the RUF. In an SLBS radio and television interview Friday night, Shelpidi expressed the belief that Corporal Foday Sankoh could not be considered the true leader of the RUF www.sierra-leone.org/Archives/slnews0399.html See March 28 And August 25 1999 "Earlier this week, an ECOMOG soldier escorted two former AFRC officials to the offices of the Sierra Leone Broadcasting Service (SLBS) in the New England area of Freetown, where they demanded air time (which was not granted) in order to brief their fighters in the bush about the peace process," the CPJ said. www.sierra-leone.org/Archives/slnews0899.htmlCould they have quickly relocated to another building in order to continue broadcasting, after all isn't the idea that the building is the original one used pre 1999 is based on the fact that it has a sign on it in the photographs? Whether the film archive was housed there seems to be another key question. |
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Post by Charles Daniels on Sept 10, 2013 12:11:42 GMT
The transmitters for SLBS at Freetown for both radio and television are located on Leicester peak overlooking Freetown. On 16 October 1997 the complex was attacked by Nigerian aircraft, part of the ECOMOG forces. The transmitters themselves were undamaged by the attack but facilities there were damaged. During the period from 14 October until the cease-fire declaration on 22 October the security situation in Freetown and Kenema deteriorated due to heavy fighting between the AFRC and ECOMOG. ECOMOG warplanes continued to fly regular sorties over Freetown and succeeded in damaging communications facilities at Signal Hill and Leicester Peak. reliefweb.int/report/sierra-leone/sierra-leone-humanitarian-situation-report-14-28-oct-1997Reports indicate that on 15 October 1997 ECOMOG planes dropped bombs near the external communications centre in Freetown that did not explode. An aerial sortie on 16 October is reported to have occurred over the television and radio facility at Leicester Peak, 10 kilometres from Freetown. The transmitter was not damaged. www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6aed40.htmlAdditional information about the damage sustained is provided by a radio historian: During an attack by the Nigerian Air Force on October 16, 1997, it was stated that a large radio station was destroyed in a bombing run. However, the station that was destroyed was an FM & TV station on top of Leicester Peak in Freetown, and not the mediumwave & shortwave station at Goderich. www.ontheshortwaves.com/Wavescan/wavescan130310.htmlSo we have a report of a TV station at the transmitters outside of Freetown being destroyed in 1997, the attack being mentioned in two UN reports. Now if Broadcasting House in Freetown, itself, had been destroyed in January 1999, it is frankly unbelievable that reports of the event would have not appeared in a UN report somewhere, yet no UN report mentioning it has been found. I suspect what has happened is that a report of the destruction of the TV station at the transmitters in 1997 reached the episode hunters with no date attached and not realising that it was referring to the attack on the transmitters, it was assumed it was referring to SLBS Broadcasting House which could only have possibly been destroyed in the rebel incursion into Freetown of January 1999. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Sept 10, 2013 13:07:40 GMT
Fascinating work, Charles. Eventually the truth will out and we'll all know what, if anything has been found and the details thereof. I look forward to that day intensely. Until then, I'll sit on my hands and draw my own conclusions as to why the powers that be aren't saying boo to a goose!
David's posts yesterday was particularly encouraging, coming from someone who has found episodes before.
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Post by Alex Dering on Sept 10, 2013 22:07:28 GMT
I think the important thing to understand is the reality involved:
1. IF there is something, the people who know aren't holding back because they want to.
2. All the harping and moaning does nothing except to vex the very people who are needed to be able to be focused on the recovery of any missing episodes.
Perhaps someone could refresh my memory on when the next possible reveal could be coming. Isn't there supposed to be something on the Terror of the Zygons DVD? Maybe we could have a countdown clock to the anniversary, so when it finally hits zero we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief, one way or the other, because all the gossiping will finally be rendered moot.
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Post by David F on Sept 11, 2013 1:02:55 GMT
Am I the only one who is actually enjoying all of the gossip and chinese whispers. For me it's been the highlight of the 50th Anniversary because I know how underwhelming the actual 50th Special is going to be, celebrating all things Who since 2005?! The very idea of seeing some complete stories from the 60's actually keeps me awake at night, it could all turn to custard in November and nothing is actually found but I don't beleive it. I've been a Who fan for 47 of it's 50 years and have heard all the rumours, the guy with the grudge against the BBC who has every episode on VHS, The Invasion Part 1 at a US Convention but this has been the most believable so far.
Back in the day we only had the egos of BBC execs to cope with, now we have a new species 'The Celebrity Uber Fan!' who are getting as much mileage as they can out of this situation. As I say I've been a fan since the 60's and ever since DWM ran their missing episode list in the 1981 Summer Special and shocked us all at the state of the archives, it's been simply a dream that we'll one day see 'Web Of Fear' and 'Fury From The Deep' again, until now. They've found something, I'm sure of it, it isn't 90 episodes but it's possibly a full story. Even if it's one episode, it's one more than I expected to turn up. |
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Post by WSSharpe on Sept 11, 2013 2:30:34 GMT
Am I the only one who is actually enjoying all of the gossip and chinese whispers. For me it's been the highlight of the 50th Anniversary because I know how underwhelming the actual 50th Special is going to be, celebrating all things Who since 2005?! The very idea of seeing some complete stories from the 60's actually keeps me awake at night, it could all turn to custard in November and nothing is actually found but I don't beleive it. I've been a Who fan for 47 of it's 50 years and have heard all the rumours, the guy with the grudge against the BBC who has every episode on VHS, The Invasion Part 1 at a US Convention but this has been the most believable so far.
Back in the day we only had the egos of BBC execs to cope with, now we have a new species 'The Celebrity Uber Fan!' who are getting as much mileage as they can out of this situation. As I say I've been a fan since the 60's and ever since DWM ran their missing episode list in the 1981 Summer Special and shocked us all at the state of the archives, it's been simply a dream that we'll one day see 'Web Of Fear' and 'Fury From The Deep' again, until now. They've found something, I'm sure of it, it isn't 90 episodes but it's possibly a full story. Even if it's one episode, it's one more than I expected to turn up. Exactly. If the last three years are anything to go by, the only chance of seeing some really good Who for the first time on or around the 50th is if lost episodes are returned. Chatting until the wee hours about possible finds, what they may or may not be and where and by whom the finds were made is far more engaging than sitting through the realisation of another contrived and self-indulgent Moffat script will be. It's a shame things have turned a bit sour of late but situations have been handled badly, which always makes things worse. I'd rather avoid mud-slinging and get back to discussing possible finds; fantasies they may possibly be, but if the only reality is what the BBC has lined up for us, then I'm happy to stay in Cloud Cuckoo Land - the 50th anniversary looks great from here. |
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Sept 11, 2013 5:46:09 GMT
Am I the only one who is actually enjoying all of the gossip and chinese whispers. For me it's been the highlight of the 50th Anniversary because I know how underwhelming the actual 50th Special is going to be, celebrating all things Who since 2005?! The very idea of seeing some complete stories from the 60's actually keeps me awake at night, it could all turn to custard in November and nothing is actually found but I don't beleive it. I've been a Who fan for 47 of it's 50 years and have heard all the rumours, the guy with the grudge against the BBC who has every episode on VHS, The Invasion Part 1 at a US Convention but this has been the most believable so far.
Back in the day we only had the egos of BBC execs to cope with, now we have a new species 'The Celebrity Uber Fan!' who are getting as much mileage as they can out of this situation. As I say I've been a fan since the 60's and ever since DWM ran their missing episode list in the 1981 Summer Special and shocked us all at the state of the archives, it's been simply a dream that we'll one day see 'Web Of Fear' and 'Fury From The Deep' again, until now. They've found something, I'm sure of it, it isn't 90 episodes but it's possibly a full story. Even if it's one episode, it's one more than I expected to turn up. Exactly. If the last three years are anything to go by, the only chance of seeing some really good Who for the first time on or around the 50th is if lost episodes are returned. Chatting until the wee hours about possible finds, what they may or may not be and where and by whom the finds were made is far more engaging than sitting through the realisation of another contrived and self-indulgent Moffat script will be. It's a shame things have turned a bit sour of late but situations have been handled badly, which always makes things worse. I'd rather avoid mud-slinging and get back to discussing possible finds; fantasies they may possibly be, but if the only reality is what the BBC has lined up for us, then I'm happy to stay in Cloud Cuckoo Land - the 50th anniversary looks great from here. Well, for me, it's just been a pure misery. I never could have imagined the disaster of this omnirumor mess and how it just goes on and on and on and on. But I'm still going to wait around and see what the outcome is. I've waited for years and years to find out, so I'm determined to witness the resolution, which I hope is coming fairly soon. |
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Post by briancook on Sept 11, 2013 5:53:49 GMT
i can now tell you that BBC-4 will be showing restored versions of the first 4 dr who episodes.
so read the above statement, think about other posts that have been deleted or not and then think again.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Sept 11, 2013 6:47:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 9:27:37 GMT
i can now tell you that BBC-4 will be showing restored versions of the first 4 dr who episodes. so read the above statement, think about other posts that have been deleted or not and then think again. Aren't they referring to the first four episodes, i.e. An Unearthly Child, The Cave of Skulls, etc.? Not serials. |
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Post by John Green on Sept 11, 2013 9:40:58 GMT
i can now tell you that BBC-4 will be showing restored versions of the first 4 dr who episodes. so read the above statement, think about other posts that have been deleted or not and then think again. Aren't they referring to the first four episodes, i.e. An Unearthly Child, The Cave of Skulls, etc.? Not serials. They say the four episodes will be show in a "restored format".Eh? |
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Post by Justin Watson on Sept 11, 2013 9:52:48 GMT
Aren't they referring to the first four episodes, i.e. An Unearthly Child, The Cave of Skulls, etc.? Not serials. They say the four episodes will be show in a "restored format".Eh? As per the DVD. Restored by the RT Part 1 initially intended to be colourised. Babelcolour & co couldn't commit so it will almost certainly be in b&w - especially as no mention is made of it being colour ...but I suppose they could have utilised the same chaps who did the Name of the Doctor b&w clip colourising |
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Sept 11, 2013 10:03:34 GMT
If most of the Hartnell era is back then it would be nice if BBC 4 broadcast the series from the start, week by week, fifty years after it was first broadcast, just like they've been doing with Top of the Pops (35 years on from the original broadcast). Any episodes that are still missing could be skipped or shown as a recon. That should give them enough time to restore all the recently returned episodes and promote the DVD releases.
I look forward to watching the final missing story, "The Space Pirates", in March and April 2019 !!!
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Post by Rob Hutchinson on Sept 11, 2013 10:36:48 GMT
the rumour mill won't be dampened by statements like this from the BBC:
"We also have one further exciting commission to be announced later this year which will see the celebrations finish with a bang."
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