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Post by Kevin Wilson on Jul 18, 2013 10:02:03 GMT
Sorry if I'm about to venture into heresy here -- but if all the takes exists, then rather than meticulously search each one and compare it frame by frame to the TVM as it exists now, and try to re-edit the entire thing back into existence exactly as it is now -- Couldn't you produce a TVM "Director's Cut" and make that the Blu Ray, HD cut of the film only? If you have to re-do all the special effects anyway, its already going to be rather different to the transmitted version. So, why not make the Blu Ray have a massive selling point? The Directors cut, with new special effects, and featuring different takes? Then you've got the as-broadcast Standard Def DVD release. And the Blu Ray exclusive re-edit. Mmmmm interesting thought, it worked with day of the daleks se
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Jul 18, 2013 11:16:09 GMT
There's a short documentary on The Star Trek Next gen Blu-Ray about the restoration on that series. I can see the justification in the 1000s of working hours spent doing that as they will be sure of making an absolute mint from the resales. And boy they look stunning. I'm only guessing here, but I don't think that there would be a budget for the complete restoration of the TV Movie. And the sales would only be a fraction of what would be needed to make it a viable project.
Alan
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Post by Andrew Parker on Jul 18, 2013 11:23:42 GMT
Pity, the TV movie would be something I would get on blu-ray if it was available.
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Post by Simon Smith on Jul 18, 2013 11:51:15 GMT
Sorry if I'm about to venture into heresy here -- but if all the takes exists, then rather than meticulously search each one and compare it frame by frame to the TVM as it exists now, and try to re-edit the entire thing back into existence exactly as it is now -- Couldn't you produce a TVM "Director's Cut" and make that the Blu Ray, HD cut of the film only? If you have to re-do all the special effects anyway, its already going to be rather different to the transmitted version. So, why not make the Blu Ray have a massive selling point? The Directors cut, with new special effects, and featuring different takes? Then you've got the as-broadcast Standard Def DVD release. And the Blu Ray exclusive re-edit. But would that be canon?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jul 19, 2013 17:37:42 GMT
Star Trek's a different case. It was made from go to whoa on 35mm film , with no video at all. You can't get a high definition image out of a standard definition video recording. You'd have to go back and make it all over again using the source material. The original series might have been on 35 mm film, but they went beyond the actual prints of the episodes, and went back to original material, recreating all the special effects. And of the 28 seasons of Star Trek, only the three 1960s seasons were on film. After that it was shot on film for the next 20 (I believe) seasons, and mastered on video. Yet for the HD versions of TNG, they HAVE been going back to the original film. Isn't this the same process as one would use to make a HD version of the 1996 Doctor Who movie?
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Post by Rob Moss on Jul 19, 2013 18:13:35 GMT
I think the sales potential of several complete runs of Star Trek is WAAAAYYYY higher than the sales potential of one single TV movie, however much we may wish it wasn't.
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Post by Neville Watkins on Jul 19, 2013 19:08:26 GMT
Well, it's a start. Can we lose the rest of it please?
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 19, 2013 19:27:41 GMT
Well, it's a start. Can we lose the rest of it please? Count me in on this one too!
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Post by John Endicott on Jul 21, 2013 17:15:56 GMT
I've never heard anyone say that it has categorically been junked, but no one knows for certain what the situation currently is with the assets. They're probably stored in one of Fox's vaults. One of Universal's vaults surely.
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Post by David Huggins on Jul 21, 2013 18:10:42 GMT
I've never heard anyone say that it has categorically been junked, but no one knows for certain what the situation currently is with the assets. They're probably stored in one of Fox's vaults. One of Universal's vaults surely. Hopefully they weren't among the many items lost in the fire at this Universal film and video vault in 2008... (that said, this article does note that the main assets stored there were on tape rather than film): m.broadcastengineering.com/news/loss-universal-s-tape-and-film-vault-raises-archival-questionsI wonder if there's been any update on this - anyone know? Hopefully most of the losses were covered by the backups in the Philadelphia archive mentioned in the article.
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Post by Kevin Wilson on Jul 21, 2013 18:25:34 GMT
One of Universal's vaults surely. Hopefully they weren't among the many items lost in the fire at this Universal film and video vault in 2008... (that said, this article does note that the main assets stored there were on tape rather than film): m.broadcastengineering.com/news/loss-universal-s-tape-and-film-vault-raises-archival-questionsI wonder if there's been any update on this - anyone know? Hopefully most of the losses were covered by the backups in the Philadelphia archive mentioned in the article. I remember hearing about this, does anyone know what was lost at all
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Post by Robert Manners on Jul 22, 2013 18:23:02 GMT
This is no different to the studio recordings of any other episode being junked after the edit. When you put it into context like that then it does make sense, however not good reading for any fans of the TV movie of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 18:57:46 GMT
I find it unlikely that in 35mm print would be destroyed, unless it was by "accident".
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Post by danharper on Jul 23, 2013 19:42:25 GMT
I find it unlikely that in 35mm print would be destroyed, unless it was by "accident". AIUI, there was no 35mm print. Only 35mm raw footage and a final edit on VT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 20:00:36 GMT
I wonder if there's been any update on this - anyone know? Hopefully most of the losses were covered by the backups in the Philadelphia archive mentioned in the article. I do know a LOT of audio stuff was destroyed. It was discussed on an old American forum I was part of and I believe a lot of stuff released on certain vintage labels was completely incinerated but sadly can't remember which labels - I think MCA might had been one of them... whole loads of multitracks and masters that had the misfortune to be stored there. Films wise, barely any details surfaced at all probably sue to severe embarrassment. Los Angeles should be one of the very last places on the planet to be having tape vaults and archives given the city stands on a fault line or two which could result in a ghastly earthquake at any time which would help destroy entire contents in no time at all.
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