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Post by markg on Jul 13, 2013 22:28:11 GMT
Yes, they were quite new-wave Beatley, I think one of them was related to a Floyd..
I bought the single, but.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 17:34:52 GMT
Hullooo. I remember Scarlet Party, they were a great power pop band; Dave Gilmours' little brother was in 'em. Their singer was a stars in yer eyes Lennon before that programme was invented. Very good too.... Also, I saw a Man Alive documentary on Simon Dupree & The Big Sound about the dangers of groupiedom a couple of years ago, Hilarious it was. Regarding the Rod Stewart doc, Redifusion had their fingers on the club scene didn't they? Around the same time A boy called Donovan was shown, which resulted in the poor fella being busted. Great social history now though, wonderful they still exist.
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Post by Jeff Leach on Aug 1, 2014 11:50:26 GMT
Is being repeated next Friday 8th Aug on beeb four together with a new compilation of Rod at the Beeb
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:30:22 GMT
Hullooo. I remember Scarlet Party, they were a great power pop band; Dave Gilmours' little brother was in 'em. Their singer was a stars in yer eyes Lennon before that programme was invented. Very good too.... 101 Dam-nations was a great track - should have been a big hit. I remember it got some airplay on evening Radio 1 at the time but obviously not enough to do the trick.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Aug 6, 2014 19:17:54 GMT
Rod At The BBC could be good - his TOTPs of 71-76 are pretty good in terms of survivors (Bad 'n' Ruin 29-4-71, Maggie May (27-12-71 plus slightly different insert from 30-10-71), You Wear It Well (studio, Aug 72), Angel (16-11-72), Oh No Not My Baby (film insert 27-9-73), Pool Hall Richard (20-12-73) plus The Killing Of Georgie.. plus the Faces 'Sound For Saturday' etc. Hopefully all the limp stuff of recent years will be minimised
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Post by John Gray on Aug 6, 2014 21:01:26 GMT
Rod at The BBC is long overdue. I'm not getting excited though as I fear the BBC will show all the tried and tested stuff that has been repeated over the years. There are two items that would be good 1) The BBC shot promo for the Faces 'You Can Make Me Dance Sing Anything' - partly repeated on Pop Quiz back in 1984 and 2) Any of the three songs (Tonight's The Night, Wild Side of Life, Sailing) from 'Sounds of Scotland' broadcast August 1976 and not seen since apart from a cut clip of Sailing used on TOTP in September 1976.
Chris - 'Oh No Not My Baby' and 'Killing Of Georgie' were both official promos, so not really "at the BBC" at all.
Just for the record here is a list of Rod's seven wiped TOTP perfromances:
Flying (Faces, 1970) Had Me A Real Good Time (Faces, 1971) Maggie May - two alternative performances (1971) Iko Iko (with Long John Baldry) You Wear It Well (Xmas Day 1972) Cindy Incidentally (Faces, 1973)
* Rod's last in studio perfomace on TOTP was Pool Hall Richard with the Faces (December 1973)
* The TOTP performace of Stay With Me, previously thought wiped, was an insert from Sounds for Saturday. So is still very much in existance!
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Post by Chris Barratt on Aug 9, 2014 10:05:22 GMT
Rod At The BBC could be good - his TOTPs of 71-76 are pretty good in terms of survivors (Bad 'n' Ruin 29-4-71, Maggie May (27-12-71 plus slightly different insert from 30-10-71), You Wear It Well (studio, Aug 72), Angel (16-11-72), Oh No Not My Baby (film insert 27-9-73), Pool Hall Richard (20-12-73) plus The Killing Of Georgie.. plus the Faces 'Sound For Saturday' etc. Hopefully all the limp stuff of recent years will be minimised In the end, a couple of baffling omissions from that lot in two genuine TOTP studio performances - at least we did get the 'alternate' Maggie May for once (very similar to t'other one admittedly)
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Post by Liam Joseph on Aug 9, 2014 10:55:32 GMT
Quite enjoyed the compilation. It was good to see Bad 'n' Ruin plus the for some reason rarely shown You Wear It Well, my favourite Rod solo track. A shame they omitted the Faces fantastic version of I Know I'm Losing You from Sounds for Saturday. As usual with Rod I found myself losing interest around 1976!
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Post by Chris Barratt on Aug 9, 2014 11:31:44 GMT
I have been informed Angel - despite being a colour insert that duplicates a b&w telerecording from the complete edition held by the BBC - and Pool Hall Richard are 'no longer available' to programme researchers - access completely restricted now.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Aug 9, 2014 12:22:41 GMT
Why would that be?
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Post by John Gray on Aug 9, 2014 15:13:15 GMT
What is wrong with the researchers at the BBC? Last nights Rod Stewart At The BBC was most disappointing. Having watched other collections and been impressed, I was looking forward to this collection. It got off to a good start. The earliest existing TOTP performance (Bad 'n' Ruin), Maggie May, Stay With Me (shame they didn't make the TOTP reference, ie that it was shown on TOTP three months before Sounds for Saturday was broadcast), You Wear It Well, Oh No Not My Baby... so far so good... although I would have slotted in Angel and Pool Hall Richard from TOTP.
The first disappointment was the ommission of 'You Can Make Me Dance Sing Anything', a TOTP promo still in that archive from a wiped TOTP. This would have been the perfect vehicle to show it in full for the first time since 1974. What followed was pathetic and much of it must have breached trade descriptions... record company promos for You're In my Heart, Sexy, Some Guys and Georgie. A mis-dated Hot Legs - this live version was 1980 not 1981 - and anyway Passion a 1980 hit would have been more appropriate to keep things chronologically in order.
My point about the record company promos is that the BBC do have their own versions of the songs which could have been used: footage from a 1978 Belle Vue Manchester gig (You're In My Heart and Sexy), Olympia 1976 (Georgie) and The Montrose Pop Festival (Some Guys). They used the much seen on TOTP2 promo for Sailing when they could have used the live performance from a one-off show called Sounds of Scotland (aired August 1976) not seen since broadcast. They could have used Tonight's The Night from the same show instead of Fist Cut Is The Deepest ironically from a LWT Rod special called A Night On The Town. Nothing from the nineties, one song from the eighties. All added up to a shambles.
I know it's hard to fit 44 years of performances into one hour. But this thing just looked chucked together and didn't offer the die-hard anything that cannot be found on You Tube.
Chris - interesting info on Angel and Pool Hall R. I wonder why?
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Post by Paul Watkins on Aug 9, 2014 15:35:57 GMT
The first disappointment was the ommission of 'You Can Make Me Dance Sing Anything', a TOTP promo still in that archive from a wiped TOTP. This would have been the perfect vehicle to show it in full for the first time since 1974. This is news, there are no listings with this 'promo' featuring on TOTP and no record in the archives. Do you have any more info on this John?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 16:04:14 GMT
I've also never heard of a promo in the BBC archives for, let's not forget the correct title here, "You Can Make Me Dance Sing Or Anything (Even Take The Dog For A Walk, Mend A Fuse, Fold Away The Ironing Board, Or Any Other Domestic Short Comings)". But it would have been the perfect opportunity to finally dig out the TOTP film for Python Lee Jackson's "In A Broken Dream" that was featured on TOTP 26.10.1972.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Aug 9, 2014 16:15:37 GMT
What is wrong with the researchers at the BBC? Last nights Rod Stewart At The BBC was most disappointing. Having watched other collections and been impressed, I was looking forward to this collection. It got off to a good start. The earliest existing TOTP performance (Bad 'n' Ruin), Maggie May, Stay With Me (shame they didn't make the TOTP reference, ie that it was shown on TOTP three months before Sounds for Saturday was broadcast), You Wear It Well, Oh No Not My Baby... so far so good... although I would have slotted in Angel and Pool Hall Richard from TOTP. Chris - interesting info on Angel and Pool Hall R. I wonder why? In a somewhat heavy-handed - and fairly sinister all things considered - move, the BBC have decided to 'restrict' any shows presented by certain individuals, by removing them from the archive database. So a search by the people working on the show for 'Rod Stewart' on 'Top Of The Pops' would not have yielded Angel or Pool Hall Richard as, in the new Orwellian history books, they effectively no longer exist as the parent shows have been withdrawn from circulation. The fact is both You Wear It Well and the alternate Maggie May (note the silent first few bars - due to a JS off-vision intro 'and still at Number One, Rod Stewart & The Faces, Maggie May') shown last night were Bob Pratt inserts originally taken from JS-hosted TOTP, as would have been the colour Angel from the same source tape. But Angel is also on the b&w (well, feint colour signal actually) edition of 16-11-72 held at the BBC, hosted by yew-know-who. So a search for Angel for your average BBC lackey will have drawn a blank as the BBC have removed it from their research database, and put the masters in a underground concrete bunker or something. Without any cross-reference or our level of knowledge, they won't know of the colour insert. Made all the more absurd by the fact that all surviving (and recovered) editions of TOTP are actually 'in circulation' to a greater or lesser degree, and most of them in top quality. So the genie is out of the bottle regardless. I'll save any further comment as being 'off topic', but at this rate we're going to end up with our recent history, bankrolled by us the license-fee payers, at the mercy of Asda-price Personal Injury lawyers.
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Post by John Gray on Aug 10, 2014 9:56:18 GMT
Paul / Mike - The promo for 'You Can Make Me Dance' is listed on the Popscene web site: TOTP episode dated 12-12-74. The specially made for TOTP film was shot at one of the bands Lewisham Odeon dates in November 1974. The version used on TOTP was in B&W. I recorded audio of the song on my little Phillips tape recorder at the time. Some ten years later (June or July 1984), 1:48mins of it was repeated at the end of Pop Quiz. Mike Reed wrongly introduced it as having "never broadcast before". Obviously the film is somewhere at the BBC but has not been associated with the relevant Top Of The Pops episode. My TOTP audio is identical to that on the Pop Quiz repeat which I recorded at the time and still have, so this film is very much is existance. Furthermore Andy Neil when researching his excellent Faces biography uncovered a full colour version of the film, although I'm not sure this is held by the BBC. The Popscene web site does not acknowledge that this insert exists, maybe someone could put this right?
Also the Faces two TOTP appearances for Stay With Me dated 6-1-72 and 20-1-72 exist as they were infact inserts of the song from Sounds for Saturday (not fully broadcast until 1-4-72). So Stay With Me appeared on TOTP first. Again, not acknowledged on Popscene listings.
Chris - thanks for the info regarding Angel + Pool Hall Richard. This obsession with JS and the wiping of his existance is very unhealthy. Nasty bit of work maybe, but the past cannot be re-written or whitewashed away.
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