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Post by williammcgregor on Mar 26, 2015 23:02:16 GMT
(Criticised Crampseys excitement!)
Hibs lose the first leg 4-1 then turn it around at Easter Road by winning the 2nd leg 5-0 one of the all-time best results in Scottish European football history and they criticise a commentators excitement! (unbelieveable) but, as you say, if the viewer had'nt have felt aggrieved and wrote to the paper then we'd have been non the wiser.
Thanks for remembering this old thread
William
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Post by cjones on Mar 27, 2015 1:08:59 GMT
The archival status of pre-1980s football is shocking. Many years ago, I remember watching a copy of extended highlights of Wrexham vs Anderlecht from the 1975-76 Cup Winners' Cup. It was truly awful (the recording quality, that is, not Wrexham's performance!), with picture distortion around the edges due to having been filmed, I suppose, off the TV screen. But it's better to have that than nothing at all, as is the case with their runs in the CWC earlier in the decade. AFAIK no footage of these exists at all.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Mar 28, 2015 16:29:22 GMT
`The archival status of pre-1980s football is shocking' cjones Do you really think so? Only a few edtions of Match of the Day are missing since its inception in 1964 and BBC Sport certainly have some editions of its predecessor Sports Special preserved. As for ITV Sport they only started archiving at the end of the 1960s but their holdings from that point onwards are impressive. They have for example MANY complete undedited matches which were only broadcast in highlights form when you might have expected this footage to be junked once edited for transmission. Some of their holdings are still on 2 inch tape and not likely to be transferred any time soon due to cost as they have no in house facilities for this. I have seen a list of their pre 1969 football holdings and it is rather sparse - not even filling one page of A4 paper. Here north of the border the situation is not so good but there are a number of highlights from various matches held by both BBC Scotland and STV. Most highlights were disposed of but in many cases only after the goals were preserved and both libraries have a number of goal compilation tapes. Compared to comedy and drama I would say footballs survival rate is rather impressive and in my opinion far from shocking.
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Post by George D on Mar 28, 2015 18:26:31 GMT
I recall being told in the early 80's that STV had cleared its archive of many early football matches and that Jim Hossack who was then involved with Scotsport had purchased the material. I'm fairly confident this information was accurate so it may be worth trying to make contact with him to ascertain if footage from that match was included. nice to see a situation when instead of dumping stuff, someone has the fore sight to save it. has anyone reached out to jim hossack to make sure this material is properly preseved with more than one copy in existance?
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Post by cjones on Mar 28, 2015 23:25:19 GMT
` The archival status of pre-1980s football is shocking' cjones Do you really think so? Only a few edtions of Match of the Day are missing since its inception in 1964 and BBC Sport certainly have some editions of its predecessor Sports Special preserved. As for ITV Sport they only started archiving at the end of the 1960s but their holdings from that point onwards are impressive. They have for example MANY complete undedited matches which were only broadcast in highlights form when you might have expected this footage to be junked once edited for transmission. Some of their holdings are still on 2 inch tape and not likely to be transferred any time soon due to cost as they have no in house facilities for this. I have seen a list of their pre 1969 football holdings and it is rather sparse - not even filling one page of A4 paper. Here north of the border the situation is not so good but there are a number of highlights from various matches held by both BBC Scotland and STV. Most highlights were disposed of but in many cases only after the goals were preserved and both libraries have a number of goal compilation tapes. Compared to comedy and drama I would say footballs survival rate is rather impressive and in my opinion far from shocking. I certainly didn't have the impression that the MOTD survival rate was so healthy; that's good to know. I was proceeding from my own research on Welsh TV, which by and large shows a very poor survival rate for football from the 1960s in particular. The National Library of Wales' holdings include a great many Welsh-language news bulletins from a programme called 'Y Dydd' (The Day) dating from the 60s that include football reports on Wrexham, Cardiff and so forth, but each tends to last for a minute or less, so it's just the goals you end up seeing. There is also some material pertaining to home internationals concerning Wales. The situation for the 1970s is better, with recordings of 'Sports Arena' etc surviving, but it's still rather patchy.
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Post by robincarmody on Jul 11, 2015 14:37:29 GMT
Good that some conclusion was reached in this thread.
As Ronnie says, network football coverage has a far better survival rate than some of the "they're all out to get the working class, and the establishment still hate Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones!!!!!!!" bores would have you believe; the inference of Peter Stirling's post upthread is clearly that Left/liberal-inclined TV enthusiasts universally and invariably have no interest in football, which is blatantly untrue. I don't think you can come to a conclusion for the network based on relatively poor archiving by BBC Wales - I *think* it's broadly the case that what were then called the "national regions" always had a tendency to keep less, in all fields.
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