All regular series episodes broadcast by 4 Extra have been essentially the same as the archive.org episodes - they are all '30-minute' episodes. The only variation I noticed is that s2e7 when broadcast with the title 'From 06/03/2009' was 30.03 mins but more recently when broadcast as 'From 20/8/1972' was only 29.37 mins. This was entirely down to a difference in the length of the theme tune at the end. I assume there is a similar thing going on with the archive.org s1e1 (30.29 mins), which is longer than the other episodes because of the longer version of the theme tune at the end. One might argue about which version is 'correct', but I for one am not hugely bothered (the approx. 29.40 min episodes must be more convenient for the schedulers).
To summarise, my working hypothesis is that 4 extra has broadcast in full and in excellent quality all episodes except s1e1, s1e3 and s2e4 (which have not been broadcast at all) and s1esp, which has been broadcast with the last sketch cut.
I imagine the main problem with re-instating the cut sketch in the Christmas episode is there being sufficient will! I am reminded of the final episode of The Burkiss Way which was unnecessarily broadcast in its drastically cut 15 minute version for years (despite earlier being included in its full form in the 3-hour programme 'Celebrate The Burkiss Way') and has only recently started being broadcast uncut as part of the series.
Post by Stephen Byers on Sept 26, 2018 21:13:52 GMT
Great analysis - thank you. So what are the best quality encodes out there? Most OTR sites including Archive.org only have them in MP3 at max 128kbps. Some are only at 32kbps!! If from recent R4E airings they could have been capped in MP3 at 320kbps (say via get_iplayer). What are the encodes on the commercially available BBC cds? And are there any FLACs or WAVs out there?
The CDs will be PCM stereo, 44100 Hz, 16-bit, effectively WAVs, like any other audio CD. I don't have the CDs or equivalent downloads, but I am now a little curious having looked them up:
Description of the first '4-episode' 2-CD set includes:
"Among the sketches, Mr Serpent, a sales rep in the Garden of Eden, tries to flog a knowledge course to Eve (‘one bite and you’re a PhD’). A doctor has to give some bad news, but gets more emotional than the patient, and there’s love among the road reports. There’s an exclusive interview with ‘Charlie Chaplin’, some lavatory humour (a sketch set in a manager’s washroom), how to learn baby talk and 'Analysis Through the Looking-Glass'. A baptism causes naming problems, while among the songs is 'What Am I Going to Do About You?' (‘You’re like Everest with all its icy crags / I don’t think I’ll get over you somehow.’)"
I don't immediately place 'love among the road reports' (EDIT: it's S1E8) and 'Analysis Through the Looking-Glass', but if there are 4 genuine episodes as we understand them, that tells me it includes S1E3, S1E6 and S1E8. Yes, S1E3, an episode that 4 Extra does not broadcast ...
Description of the second '4-episode' 'More ...' 2-CD set includes:
"Here, the sketches include: a bizarre slice of Shakespeare, a poem for a man with a plan, and a forgetful actor. There are also people who use lots of words, but say very little. As well as a musing pianist, we also hear a two-headed Great Eccentric, a spoof Paul Temple, and wires get crossed on the telephone."
That should therefore be S2E3, S2E6, S2E7 and S2E8. But when I listen to a 'sample' at sites offering it, I get extracts from S2E2 or S2E5!
Ronnie Barker's Lines from my grandfather's forehead
'Lines From My Grandfather's Forehead' features two series of eight episodes as well as two 'special' episodes. The show starred Ronnie Barker and featured Terence Brady and Pauline Yates, with Gordon Langford at the piano
CD, CD, Audiobook. English. Published Bath: BBC Audiobooks, 2010
Here's a further cornucopia of clever comedy, featuring sketches, monologues, poems and songs in this 'sequential entertainment for radio'. The sketches on this recording include: a bizarre slice of Shakespeare, a poem for a man with a plan, and a forgetful actor. There are also people who use lots of words - but say very little. As well as a musing pianist, we also hear a two-headed 'Great Eccentric', a spoof Paul Temple, and wires get crossed on the telephone. Co-written by Gerald Wiley (the pseudonym used by Ronnie Barker) and many others, this sophisticated cabaret-cum-sketch-show contains plenty of witty wordplay. Starring Ronnie Barker, with Terence Brady, Pauline Yates, Josephine Gordon and Dick Abell.
gives a completely different blurb from other sites, i.e.
'The office party is given a new take and you'll also find these subjects among the sketches on this recording: a day trip to Boulogne, Mr Perch, Edwardian soiree, marriage, the end of the world, the connoisseur, as per estimate, population control, baby-care, a night at the ballet, duel and plain speaking. As well as a special take on Hamlet, there are also the poems The Audience and Curtain.'
Well, here we go again with 4 Extra kicking off next week, www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl7l/2019/08/27, with 'From 22/02/1971' (which is Series 1 Episode 2) followed by 'Episode 3' (which is Series 2 Episode 3) and then 'From 08/03/1971' (which is Series 1 Episode 4). Still no sign of s1e1 or s1e3 (and they think they can fool us by putting something called 'Episode 3' between s1e2 and s1e4). Why can't they just play all the episodes in order with their 'proper' 'series x, episode y' titles like most other series? It's almost as though they haven't read this thread. Baffling.