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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 10:32:03 GMT
They certainly did. If it hadnt been for that we wouldnt have known about their status. That also gives you a bit of a timeline as to when dave sent over his vhs tape. It must have been after your book was published. It was a fantastic reference piece so well done. I spent hours poring over it on shows long forgotten and half remembered. It does go to show though how material can be returned in the most unlikely of ways. Our group of friends also helped in recovering about a couple of zeconds of the soundtrack of the who story marco polo. But thats another story ... Glad to have helped solve the mystery for you all. Mike
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Post by RWels on Jan 7, 2019 0:13:08 GMT
In 1990 the two missing episodes were still shown on Dutch TV - but the Australian copies were returned "quite some time" after 1988... So possibly they were still kicking around in more than one place?
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Post by RWels on Jan 8, 2019 20:19:47 GMT
By chance I got into touch with the person whose recordings of the missing episodes are presently on the DVD, "David B.":
The fact that these two episodes were shown in Holland in 1990 is a bit weird. They must have gotten a new set of copies from the BBC (worldwide?) somehow, unless they used very old broadcast tapes from more than ten years previous and a different channel.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 12, 2019 8:19:02 GMT
This is the first time I have seen this thread, or I would have responded years earlier. And yes David Baker recorded the two lost episodes off television and had them on his shelf for a few years not knowing they were lost. My recall is he saw a piece I wrote on this very forum while I was running a campaign to try to locate the lost Dad's Army and IAHHM episodes, and he got in touch. I have no recollection of the story that poley mentions about reading it in the Kaleidoscope book, David never mentioned that to me. I was under the impression he did not know they were lost till he'd seen my post here. Anyway, David Baker sent me a copy of the episodes which I then sent on to David Croft, who was very overjoyed, as was Jimmy Perry. David copied the scripts of each episode and sent them to me and to David Baker, so we could read the scenes that the bloody ABC cut out. Some good scenes were trimmed for sure. Like David B, when the DVD's were released I too had no idea that they were to be on them, but I was very pleased to see them as extras. On the DVD they look exactly as they looked on the VHS copy David set me. It really narked me a bit that they had not credited them as a home recording from a private collection recovered due to a DAAS NZ Branch campaign, and disappointed that they'd not had the courtesy to write and thank either David or myself for the process in getting them back to them. They could have at the very least mailed David a DVD set when it was released. I also got no credit for recovering the soundtrack of another lost Dad's Army episode too, nor any notification that it had released on a DVD set. Plus when I offered another series to them that they'd wiped, I was ignored, twice. Ungrateful sods, the lot of them. Since then I have not bothered hunting lost stuff any more, seems little point. BBC archive seems a lot more public friendly these days with a great Facebook page but I do wonder if the department that handles recovered lost recordings are still pricks if it is not bloody Doctor Who... Anyway regarding this recovery of the IAHHM episodes I actually wrote an article for this very site many years ago about this recovery and it is still here: missingepisodes.thiswaydown.org/hot.htmI agree with comments that other people will have recorded the episodes at other times and those cut scenes may still exist on a shelf somewhere. But as the modern BBC is too PC to care about IAHHM they won't be looking very hard, and because of their attitude, nor will i.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 12, 2019 8:20:29 GMT
RWels, can you elaborate please on the 1990 Holland broadcasts?
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Post by RWels on Jan 12, 2019 11:58:32 GMT
RWels, can you elaborate please on the 1990 Holland broadcasts? Well, according to the TV guide listings, in 1990 a commercial channel reran the whole thing. "Missing" episodes included. (Old newspapers, online for free, are a great source for information.) Previously it had been shown on public television, but that was more than ten years before. One thing to note is that it always was scheduled for 25 minutes - so probably, something was cut. And it's not certain at all that a tape could still be found - there's no culture of permanence in Holland. (And it would have brunt-in subtitles, but those can be made to look much less obtrusive.) The only thing I see somewhat different is that I don't think it's specifically PC concerns; this is what would happen in most cases. And I did later speak to a BBC archivist who really did care about their history and it was through him that a couple of things got returned. But I suppose, once it's back, then some DVD department/contractor comes in and thinks "ah let's use this" and sees no reason to give credit. Peter T (a friend of Dave actually) never got credit for the Till Death audio that's now on DVD either. I never knew that "Stripe for Frazer" audio came from you! I thought it was Ed Doolan's. So that proves your point I'm afraid. But please don't let it stop you from looking for lost shows! You're in the right part of the world for it!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 12, 2019 18:45:03 GMT
It was not A Stripe For Frazer that I recovered that was indeed Ed Doolan. The audio off air soundtrack was for the 1970 Christmas Night With The Stars episode, The Cornish Floral Dance. Again my campaign to find the lost episodes turned it up when a guy called Tony Carville in Newcastle,UK, who'd recorded it off-air read my plea and realised he had it on tape in the cupboard, not knowing it was missing. All the previous hunts for missing Dad's Army episodes had failed to mention the two lost CNWTS episodes, I did specifically ask for them too and to my surprise found one. It's a terrific episode too. The remade the script for radio within The Godiva Affair, and on stage, on the cast recording of the stage show, and in the 1975 Royal Variety Performance, but this was the original and is the only one with Jimmy Beck as Walker. So thanks to Ed Doolan who recorded the 1968 CNWTS and Tony who recorded the 1970 one, we have all four in audio form, and two in video form too.
I wonder if the Dutch broadcaster was using the same film copies of IAHHM that had previously been screened in Australia by the ABC, hence their trimmed down nature.
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Post by RWels on Jan 12, 2019 18:52:08 GMT
Ah that! That IS excellent. It's my dream to find some audio one day for one of the TV programs that survives mute. I wonder if the Dutch broadcaster was using the same film copies of IAHHM that had previously been screened in Australia by the ABC, hence their trimmed down nature. It's possible, but there'd have to be some bicycle chain connecting them (like there was for Doctor Who). I wouldn't be surprised if one arm of the BBC was still selling the show back then, while the other arm assumed that it was lost. I'd put my money on that, but we may never know for sure. See also my personal message.
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Post by garygraham on Jan 12, 2019 19:03:12 GMT
I agree with comments that other people will have recorded the episodes at other times and those cut scenes may still exist on a shelf somewhere. But as the modern BBC is too PC to care about IAHHM they won't be looking very hard, and because of their attitude, nor will i. I think often it is the case that they're only interested when a "z-listers who don't really remember it but are friends of the producer natter on about clips of XYZ" programme is planned. A short sighted policy as stuff is disappearing all the time. And if it's something that is unlikely to be shown for [trigger warning] PC reasons then less interest. And they don't seem to be proactive. I've been approached once. I wrote to the BBC in the early 1990s after hearing a rumour that something was missing and was told they had little interest in anything that was on VHS. One reads articles on the BBC website about how they don't have much CBBC continuity and the studio bits of regional news were all wiped etc. But there seems to be near zero interest in obtaining it and often one can't find out what they do and and don't have (what about the regional parts of Children In Need?). In theory I would be happy to give the BBC Archive discs with all the stuff, captured uncompressed to a high standard and catalogued. But I don't know what is "missing". For example that clip of Morecambe and Wise on Pebble Mill that I posted a still of on the other thread. I assume that will be one bit of Pebble Mill that was saved. However they seem to have erased most of it. If they have little interest they probably aren't going to look after what is sent. So why waste my time? I have all my own created stuff which I want to sort for archives and heirs before I pop my clogs (not that it's imminent)
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Post by RWels on Jan 12, 2019 21:09:52 GMT
And if it's something that is unlikely to be shown for [trigger warning] PC reasons then less interest. And they don't seem to be proactive. I've been approached once. I wrote to the BBC in the early 1990s after hearing a rumour that something was missing and was told they had little interest in anything that was on VHS. One reads articles on the BBC website about how they don't have much CBBC continuity and the studio bits of regional news were all wiped etc. But there seems to be near zero interest in obtaining it and often one can't find out what they do and and don't have (what about the regional parts of Children In Need?). In theory I would be happy to give the BBC Archive discs with all the stuff, captured uncompressed to a high standard and catalogued. But I don't know what is "missing". For example that clip of Morecambe and Wise on Pebble Mill that I posted a still of on the other thread. I assume that will be one bit of Pebble Mill that was saved. However they seem to have erased most of it. Oh can't you give it a rest? This is not the complaints thread (where you threw a tantrum and blocked 4 people just for saying that at least a lot was on DVD now - is that a sign of someone who is right, I ask). Trigger warning yourself please. It's just so tiresome when talking about IAHHM is ONLY about whether or not it's PC, and whether or not PC is madness and the BBC is evil and the world is doomed. YOU may love complaining, but I've heared it all before and I don't really care anymore. "Why waste (y)our time" indeed. Just maybe 2019 is too late anyway, so IAHHM has missed the repeats boat. Facts of life. On the positive side, the two episodes that Dave and David recovered are on the DVD box set, so they did make it back to the people who do want to see them, and that's at least something. I for one am very glad I got to see them and so are many others who enjoyed the series. If you actually have stuff to return, gary, in the end, that should be reason enough. Post a list, or send it to kaleidoscope.
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Post by garygraham on Jan 12, 2019 21:23:41 GMT
I blocked people because (weirdly) they persistently implied that I was some sort of Nazi because I don't agree with censorship. I have you blocked but unfortunately because of the way this board is set up you can still view my posts and do this.
I have no intention of starting this again. Please block my posts so you don't see them and you can ignore me because obviously I enrage you.
I believe you started the same stuff on a blog, under the ID "Simone DB" after I linked to a post about Top of the Pops on here. Being rude, ranting and bullying from the start and causing the comments to be closed on the article eventually?
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Post by RWels on Jan 13, 2019 16:52:58 GMT
I blocked people because (weirdly) they persistently implied that I was some sort of Nazi because I don't agree with censorship. I have you blocked but unfortunately because of the way this board is set up you can still view my posts and do this. I have no intention of starting this again. Please block my posts so you don't see them and you can ignore me because obviously I enrage you. I believe you started the same stuff on a blog, under the ID "Simone DB" after I linked to a post about Top of the Pops on here. Being rude, ranting and bullying from the start and causing the comments to be closed on the article eventually? Haha, do you think I WANT to see your posts? Unfortunately, pretending something isn't there doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Earlier you accused people of ganging up on you (♪ "meet the gang" ♫) when they posted completely innocent comments, and they weren't even agreeing with me (or with you). To be honest I am a bit worried about your mental health. I don't think it will be the PC brigade that's coming for you; but some other service. E.g. if it is not a gang, then it must be the same person, right? But sorry to disappoint, I am not Simone (much as I like IAHHM, I am not a crossdresser myself), and I do not have a blog. But I can't say that I'm surprised if other people quickly tire of your hobby horse as well. (It's also a bit odd to complain in one and the same post about censorship AND about people being rude - you can't have neither; it's usually at least one of those, and frequently both.) This has NOTHING to do with a decent comedy series, namely It Ain't Half Hot Mum, or with missing episodes, so I call me crazy, but if you really aren't trying to restart, then I expect you to stay on topic or stay in your balcony seat for the Frog & Bear Show.
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Post by garygraham on Jan 13, 2019 23:22:18 GMT
Now even making wild and disgusting comments about mental health. You should be ashamed. You aren't going to "no platform" and silence me with your persistent bullying and harassment. That is clearly your Modus operandi. Go away please.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 13, 2019 23:26:21 GMT
RWels and garygraham
Take whatever personal issues you have elsewhere. If you persist, you know where the door is.
Paul
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