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Post by Colin Anderton on Oct 12, 2012 5:51:17 GMT
A very long shot indeed, but possibly worth mentioning....
I recall that a British man, Gerald Brooke, was released from a Soviet prison on 24th July 1969; it was a big story, and was in the papers alongside the splashdown of Apollo 11.
Although I have just checked a copy of the Times, and can find no reference to it, I am certain that, when asked if he had any special request, he said that he would like to see coverage of the Apollo 11 moon landing.
Could the Foreign Office people have got hold of the BBC and/or ITV tapes, and not returned them?
Could they be lying in some dusty corner of some now-defunct building?
Told you it was a long shot!
Colin.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 12, 2012 7:49:30 GMT
Oddly enough, there is an investigation - not linked to this - of some film cans that may be linked to Apollo footage (not sure which mission. I put the person in touch with Kal, so awaiting to hear.
Told you I've been busy.
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Post by Colin Anderton on Mar 1, 2019 19:03:39 GMT
Just thought I'd bump this up again, given that it's the fiftieth anniversary of Apollo 11 this year.
Could the Foreign Office have been the culprits all along?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Mar 2, 2019 0:59:26 GMT
Not sure what your looking to find? What do you think is missing?
The forum's Paul Vanezis did a very comprehensive documentary on Apollo 11 in around 2007
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Post by Colin Anderton on Mar 2, 2019 13:03:18 GMT
What do I think is missing? It's nearly all missing, Peter!
Paul did an excellent job in his documentary, which I have. But he could only use what was available. But very little of the BBC studio coverage remains - surely you've heard?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Mar 3, 2019 0:02:53 GMT
What do I think is missing? It's nearly all missing, Peter! Paul did an excellent job in his documentary, which I have. But he could only use what was available. But very little of the BBC studio coverage remains - surely you've heard? Oh I thought you meant the blast off and actual landing Colin? I would suspect that the full studio coverage would be a lot of waffle and ad libbing over the course of the week from presenters with nothing much to say about it simply because although obviously NASA wanted to let the world know about it they kept their cards close to their chest on some aspects (possibly cold war fears etc)..all the world media had to film their story from one output on a video projection screen and that was all that was available to them. In the case of Apollo 12 the studio coverage must have been a sea of waffle as IIRC they lost the live pod camera feed for sometime... and of course for obvious reasons there was not much coverage of Apollo 13 either. |
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Post by Greg H on Mar 3, 2019 16:51:46 GMT
Was not a good portion of the "sea of waffle", as you call it, provided by Patrick Moore? Whilst I am sure literally no one would consider the BBC's coverage of the first moon landing 'historic' in any way, there might be some diehard fans of Patrick Moore about and I hear some third rate rock band was in the studio at the time as well. I forget their name but I don't think they went on to do anything else..........
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 3, 2019 17:06:47 GMT
Well said Greg šššš. Just watched & thoroughly enjoyed First Man. Took me right back to being a Space Race obsessed 6 yr old & my Dad getting me up in the middle of the night to watch the moon landing. The mixture of wonder, excitement & fear. I remember my Dad telling me āyou will remember this for the rest of your lifeā he wasnāt wrong.
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Post by paul carney on Mar 3, 2019 20:15:44 GMT
I was 14 and consider it the most significant event in my lifetime.Despite the dreadful picture the sight of watching Armstrong set foot on another planet was awe inspiring. Only got about 2 hours sleep and then went off to school where the whole event was all we talked about. It was 50 years ago and I don't recall my teachers showing much initiative to deviate from the set timetable but on this day they set up a TV in the main hall and at certain times we could go in and see the latest coverage.
I also enjoyed First Man but am not sure Buzz Aldrin would be too thrilled by the way he is portrayed.As for the third rate rock band who didn't go on to do much else.... despite watching the whole coverage I have no recollection of them being there.
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Post by Colin Anderton on Mar 7, 2019 9:40:34 GMT
Peter, I can only comment that if you were watching the BBC coverage at the time, our brains must function in very different ways!
NASA keeping things close to their chest? The whole mission (and all the other Apollo flights) were shown in a totally open manner, with (from Apollo 9 onwards) the communication line left open to the public virtually throughout the whole flight!
And not much coverage of Apollo 13? It was almost wall-to-wall coverage after the problem developed - for nearly four days!!!
James Burke and Patrick Moore were excellent presenters, and both were masters at explaining complex things in understandable language. I for one would love to see this coverage again.
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Post by paul carney on Mar 7, 2019 10:01:55 GMT
BBC coverage of the re entry of Apollo 13 exists on You Tube and amid all the tension James Burke gives a brilliant running commentary on events showing great knowledge and insight.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 8, 2019 20:59:50 GMT
Thought this might be of interest.
Living in Carlisle at the time of the Moon landing, despite being (just) in England, the local Schools followed the Scottish dates for holidays. As a result of this, when Neil Armstrong took his āsmall stepā my local primary school (Kingmoor) had broken up for Summer.
As far as I remember, the School specially opened the following day, and all of the pupils, me included, assembled in the hall to watch the previous nights event which had been recorded on a reel to reel video and was shown on the School TV āwith the big legsā.
This really stuck in my mind as it was incredible to see a device that recorded pictures. From memory it was the missing BBC coverage of the Moon landing
Of course, this leads to the inevitable question, what happened to the tape?
Now I would assume that the tape was recorded by someone in the local education authority and the tape and recorder were probably taken from School to School to show to as many pupils as possible. After that, itās anyoneās guess.
Is it still sat on a dusty shelf somewhere? Who knows & how would you go about finding it.
I left Carlisle in 1971 and have lost touch with everyone I knew there as a child so where to start? My parents have both passed away some years ago, so first hand knowledge to corroborate my memories is not easy to get.
As an example of how difficult this could prove to be, some time ago I contacted the school about the availability of a School Photo I was on from 1970 & was told that they had nothing that old.
Facebook may prove a valuable tool as my wife recently found a school photo with me on it from 1968 on a Historic Carlisle page (!) so I thought I might put up a post to see if anyone else remembers this event.
I have held off posting this since joining the forum a few years ago, as I gave Paul V. the information such as it was, in case it led to leads on this or similar initiatives that presumably happened elsewhere in the UK at the time. Iāve checked with Paul & itās Ok to post this now. Does anyone else on the forum remember anything similar happening in their schools or communities?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Mar 8, 2019 22:25:07 GMT
I remember my school had one of those old reel-to-reel VTRs. Black and white only, though they got a colour one in the mid-1970s.
But if it was like my school, the tape would have been re-used the following week for some educational program off the TV. I don't recall there being many tapes saved anywhere.
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Post by Darren Grayson on Mar 9, 2019 8:06:03 GMT
I seem to recall some talk around the time of PVs documentary, perhaps on this board, that an Australian broadcaster had a separate feed of the EVA transmission, that their recording of it should be superior to those that have been in circulation for years, but they weren't cooperative about sharing it. Fairly sure this would have been before the organised effort to find original tapes, and hard to imagine national broadcasters weren't approached by those guys. But it's always stuck in my mind...
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 9, 2019 9:36:25 GMT
I seem to recall some talk around the time of PVs documentary, perhaps on this board, that an Australian broadcaster had a separate feed of the EVA transmission, that their recording of it should be superior to those that have been in circulation for years, but they weren't cooperative about sharing it. Fairly sure this would have been before the organised effort to find original tapes, and hard to imagine national broadcasters weren't approached by those guys. But it's always stuck in my mind... Iām pretty sure this was confirmed and it was going to be made available but since then, nothing. |
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