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Post by rex on Aug 24, 2003 16:22:20 GMT
Thanks for that . I'm a great enthusiate for ANYTHING 'archive' whether it be television or radio.. At the great age of 41, I'm also STILL a great Doctor Who fan, and ir drives me MAD that possible 'missing episodes' are in collectors hands who REFUSE to let them be enjoyed by enthusiates like myself... So if i get the opportunity to buy anything classed as 'missing' I will return it, so that it can hopefully be restored and then shown again for others to enjoy... Mmmm... perhaps I should me made a SAINT! ;D Rex
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Post by Andy Henderson on Aug 24, 2003 20:32:56 GMT
Any resonsible archive would normally make youa telecine copy of the 16mm print. Otherwise you will pay a prohibitive amount to get the film copied (properly) to tape. The basic problem with people 'dipping in' to collecting is that they get the print, get the video and usually get bored with the concept after about a couple of years. There is the danger the film could be left in unsuitable storage or it gets mutilated on an old projector. Someone else might even throw it out!
Giving a print to another person can be difficult. From my own experiences, I once loaned a tape of a film from my 16mm collection. I trusted the person and was betrayed. The film found it's way round what seems to be known as the 'trading circuit'. I understand that the person concerned used my film to trade with another collector for material which he greedily kept to himself. Now, by that time, the original quality will be markedly reduced (It (the copy) is also open to commercial exploitation).
The result was that the person concerned was removed from my address book and no further communication. Perhaps if people think I have been harsh in the past about film and tape swapping, it is this single experience which has made me very cynical.
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Post by Mark Brown on Aug 26, 2003 23:07:43 GMT
ARRGGHH, so close as well Rex, i hope this paperdate isn`t one of the evil ones.
$152.50 it ended on.
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Post by paperdate on Aug 26, 2003 23:35:43 GMT
I can assure you all that the print is in safe hands and a copy will be returned to the archives.
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Post by David Brunt on Aug 26, 2003 23:55:44 GMT
That said, there is no evidence of any sort that there are *any* missing episodes held by private collectors ...
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Post by Nick M on Aug 27, 2003 5:57:17 GMT
I am aware of someone who has missing episode of episode of a BBC sci fi show (not Dr Who). Not sure why he is holding on to it so tightly though.
I'm not sure what pleasure it can give him that he wouldn't also get if he'd let the Beeb have a copy too.
That said, what's all this talk about "evil forces"? Are they really at work here or are we all just staying up too late and thinking waaaay too figuratively???
Regards, Nick.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Aug 27, 2003 8:48:55 GMT
No, until something actually turns up, there's no actual evidence that missing material exists. However...it's just as impossible to prove something DOESN'T exist! There was no evidence of a whole lot of things' existence BEFORE they turned up. It's entirely reasonable to assume though that what is discovered / recovered is still the tip of the iceberg of what is out there. Whether or not some of it will ever come to light though is another matter. Some of it will.
In the end it all comes down to past experience and personal belief. I believe there is a mass of missing material out there; the film print circuit thrives year in year out and items that are decades old still turn up at random, when least expected. I'm certain things will continue to surface indefinitely whereas other items will remain unidentified, in private collections, forgotten in cupboards and attics, languishing in dusty vaults or warehouse premises somewhere.. .
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Post by Nick M on Aug 27, 2003 12:07:34 GMT
I'm not talkling about personal belief here. I'm talking about reliable sources, and I don't bandy that phrase often.
You do have a point about how random the film collecting world seems to be though. Prints of the most unlikely things do turn up from time to time.
However, I suspect that rather than being discovered in attics, cupboards, vaults, etc, many these films will be chucked out by family members unaware of their rarity or value.
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Post by William Martin on Aug 27, 2003 15:06:21 GMT
No, until something actually turns up, there's no actual evidence that missing material exists. However...it's just as impossible to prove something DOESN'T exist! There was no evidence of a whole lot of things' existence BEFORE they turned up. It's entirely reasonable to assume though that what is discovered / recovered is still the tip of the iceberg of what is out there. Whether or not some of it will ever come to light though is another matter. Some of it will. In the end it all comes down to past experience and personal belief. I believe there is a mass of missing material out there; the film print circuit thrives year in year out and items that are decades old still turn up at random, when least expected. I'm certain things will continue to surface indefinitely whereas other items will remain unidentified, in private collections, forgotten in cupboards and attics, languishing in dusty vaults or warehouse premises somewhere.. . Shroedingers cat? I agree, most of the missing episodes are likely to be held by people in ignorance of their value and are in real danger of a second and final junking. as you both say
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Post by Des on Aug 27, 2003 16:18:43 GMT
well whether you are talking about facts or otherwise it seems very likely indeed there are many more items out there somewhere. stands to reason. its just as much up to disbelievers to prove they are not out there as much as others to prove they do, as laurence says. forgotten vaults, ex tv employees attics, films held by relatives of hoarders unaware of their value, cinema collectors, offair domestic videos, basements of mormon churches you name it. nothing will surprise me. things can turn up anywhere they're not expected to. no doubt there are loads of recordings to uncover but will the archives show interest when they do is the real question?
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Post by Mark Brown on Aug 27, 2003 16:47:35 GMT
Have any ever been found inside animals?
I found a ring in a fish once.
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Post by rex on Aug 27, 2003 21:17:54 GMT
;D Thanks for that! I NEEDED chearing up after missing out on the ebay auction! Rex
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Post by Andy Henderson on Aug 27, 2003 21:26:49 GMT
And we are back again in a situation in which someone is hiding behind a name despite the fact he's posted on this site frequently under another name!!!
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Post by Andy Henderson on Aug 27, 2003 21:27:52 GMT
I didn't mean Rex, of course, but the buyer of that print
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Post by Nick M on Aug 28, 2003 6:39:33 GMT
Andy, could you please email me at nickm71@bigpond.net.au ?
I think I must have your old "emitron" address because it keeps bouncing back as undeliverable.
Cheers, Nick
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