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Post by dennywilson on Apr 10, 2012 10:38:16 GMT
Is the BBC aware of this fellow?
Although I dread the though of a threat of BBC Action may prompt him to destroy the stuff.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 10, 2012 13:51:49 GMT
One of my contacts (NOT a BBC employee, but has dealt with them) thinks that the worst the Beeb would do is ask him to take it off youtube.
Interestingly, I KNOW the BBC view things on youtube for research purposes....meaning 'wiped' uploads to the channel and all the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 15:20:54 GMT
I bet the person himself is reading this and having a good laugh at everyone's expense. But it's probably measured laughter as I doubt he'll ultimately get anything like the price he hopes for. So the last laugh may well be on him!
It's the buffs that lose out most though. That is, the fans of music TV / TOTP (rather than the indifferent BBC) who can't get to see something they would dearly love to (myself included).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 15:52:33 GMT
Oh I don't know. I'd imagine he could make a pretty fortune from this lot. I'm sure it's not just us on this forum wanting this footage. Fans from all over the world of many bands might be offering him £20 or more for certain clips/shows. He could indeed make thousands of pounds.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Apr 10, 2012 16:03:33 GMT
if this chap can make a fast buck doing this then its certainly not going to encourage any collectors with missing material to return it for nothing
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Post by Chris Barratt on Apr 10, 2012 17:48:36 GMT
Don't lose sight of the fact that in 1973/74 the equipment and tape used by Ken Holmes to record this wiped footage was beyond the reach of most working people and there has been - if a long a time ago - considerable (and laudable) cost involved in recording the footage we are discussing here. Ken and others are perfectly entitled to make some attempt to offset this cost, especially given it simply would not exist if not for his foresightedness/endeavour. There will have been a great deal of effort/cost involved in transferring those U-Matic tapes in colour too... I don't think anyone involved in that project will be 'having a good laugh' - whoever it is has made sure the contents of an unwieldy and expensive private collection be available to enthusiasts without them having to hire out an air-conditioned warehouse or hand over £thousands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 19:21:45 GMT
It's going to be a fine line between getting some return for "foresight" and profiting from others' copyright material though. Asking the prices he is, he's probably overstepped it. Not that I don't agree that he shouldn't get something for his efforts but he's holding music / TV fans to ransom (given that the BBC couldn't care less); this collection is effectively inaccessible rather than "available to enthusiasts". The other thing to bear in mind is that much better quality results will be gained by a transfer by experts like Kal who have a proven track record of dealing with old and unreliable formats. If the rare material is not handed over to someone that will care for it, it will be eventually lost forever.
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Post by Christopher Perry on Apr 11, 2012 7:15:04 GMT
I don't come on message boards very often, but I feel this PVL debacle deserves some discussion.
First off, the PVL collection is huge, but 99% of that isn't missing. So it wasn't worth £20,000 to buy.
Second, when I spoke to the PVL sellers they said the rarest stuff was on BetaSP and Umatic. Both formats are easy to transfer and since the missing stuff is only a small part of the collection, would not take long to transfer and tidy up.
Kal stopped dealing with PVL because we found out that a) the names they were using were aliases and b) they asked Kal to money launder 20000 through our books in a shady deal to sell the footage to the BBC direct. Since I had no desire to go to jail I declined to get involved any further.
Now we have this new seller - Jon Johnson. If that is his real name I don't know. He is only selling DVDs of this footage, and he is auctioning it to the highest bidder. So someone could bid, say, £5000 and receive a DVD quality copy. And then Jon could make another 50 copies and do likewise!!! For £5000, I would want the original BetaSp or umatic.
We did offer a speculative amount and Jon said he would 'get back to us when all the bid were in'.
It's all quite clearly a con. Just a way to make money out of us all, and Kal will not take part anymore. Buying lost material is a tricky road towards greedy people making money out of us all, but buying lost material at huge prices in the lowest quality format available, is just an invitation to be ripped off.
If Ken wants a return on his money for the investment of time and effort in recording his Umatics he should come direct to Kal and I will get him a fair deal at the BBC to make some very good money, but I won't deal with shady middle men anymore, they don't seem genuine at all.
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